Counters on the east coast? and video poker!

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Stevel96a1

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so here we are on the east coast, access to Pa gaming houses which offer great rules oppose to atlantic city
now we have a problem with a tiny number of gaming houses in Pa, oppose to atlantic city if every counter gets caught not if but when , we counters on the east must go to a H17 8 decker on the ac games, i have played 2300 hands full table on CVBJ 3.0 with a meager Bankroll of 2,000 came close to going to ruin twice and now came out ahead of some 80$ this is same rules as sands pa, and exiting out when shoes are not good for the player, a 1-6 spread to avoid detection for all those people who say 1-6 is not beatable re-read the sands pa rules and read again how i left the shoe at minus 5, so counters on the east coast i don't believe they are successful. however you can play video poker and get a bunch a royals within the year and have a nice winning streak

my questiong being is how does the card counter here on the east coast make a career out of blackjack?
when your edge is so razor thin, and your bankroll is very puny, and the pitbosses are on watch towards people varying their bets how is this accomplished they have to know how much you won$$$ over time and over months
that would be me or you after a 2-6 weeks with a 1-6ish spread in modern times tell me i am wrong?
 
ZenKinG

ZenKinG

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The answer is simply to not play until you either have a replenishable bankroll from your job with around 20k saved up in cash or a 60k bankroll with no money coming in. If you're living at home you can go at it with 25-30k and no money coming in I guess, but you better be good and not experience any major downswings early. What you can do now is start red-chipping it just to get practice in. Don't worry about burning our your face with red chips, pit bosses won't even give you a second look. Once you get into multiple green chips and stacking green chips around the 200-250 level you start to get attention. Once you go over 500 on each spot, then expect some major heat if you're too obvious and camping out. Most major chains, the tolerance level is around 2x250 which is why I always kept it around there. Go to 2x200 at smaller stores or 2x150.

I used to play all around PA so if you need info on their tolerance levels, let me know. By the way sands was one of the 2 casinos I could not beat in PA for whatever that's worth. Put in over 200 hours of mostly backcounting and still ended in the red, but not by much. Harrahs in chester absolutely murdered me over 100 hours. PA is a very tolerant place, you can pretty much backcount for 4-5 hours at a time such as in Parx in Philadelphia or even Sands in Bethlehem. They have so many pits open you can just bounce around for 5 hours straight. Eventually you'll get the tap but you should have been able to build a decent bankroll by then.

I suggest you get a job though, unless you're just trying to get practice in. Personally I'd practice on Casino Verite software and work two jobs and play occasionally until you can play for a good hourly. That's what I did.
 
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Stevel96a1

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so you mean to tell me i need a bank roll of a neighborhood of 10k-20k just to get started?!? aside the first thoughts that enter my mind is gambling problem, my 2nd issue is after i get my hands on 10k, i can still manage to lose 3grand or 5grand followed by a tap on the shoulder? i guess the key word is "Win early on" i truly dont mind gambling with the houses money if the standard devation is on my end for the first 10-20 hr but being down 2grand or double that kinda hurts ( even if its on casino verite)
id really hate myself even if i lost 1/3 of 10k and being backed off would suck i think for now video poker would suit me bettter, until i find a 5$ table with same rules as PA state man dates those table minimums being 15$ and 25$ at sands pa may as well read to me 100$ min bet i guess i just cant handle the downward swings, playing on the computer through series of blackjack software without heat and unlimited bankroll is one thing but the real tables with heat and a meager roll is another oh well
 
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Stevel96a1

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oh im sure the guy in the video was trying to stick out like a sore thumb, but he also mentions in his film Holy Rollers how he got kicked out of 4? casinos and being down 10grand easy lol 1hour 4 casinos?? sheeesh i thought he was trying to make money flying to vegas not tying to get das boot
 
JohnCrover

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He can lose 10 thousand easily because he's betting larger. When Colin played, for the most part, he played a team, meaning he used investor money so it wasn't all his. In reality, that 10k loss might have only been 1k for him personally because that was his stake in the bank roll. As far as how much money you need to start off, it really depends on your personal goals. Clearly, your situation in life does not align with card counting very well so I guess it's a good idea that you stay away. If you like video poker try to learn about how to play video poker as an advantage player. Google "Queen of comps," that's a good starting point.
 
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Stevel96a1

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i dont know man, ive read numerous posts about people losing their bankrolls of size of 4grand to 25grand and everyone knows thats a drop in the bucket in card counting the part that makes it more scary the house CAN and WILL pull the plug on you,

i dont know how hard it is to win 7k in vp but it has been done quite often on 1$ tables and i myself won 2,400 in close to one 1 day of gambling on 0.25 tables

Mr ZenKing tells me i can still lose after 300+hours and 2/3 of the hands were back counting? again i don't believe i have the money to punch in 100hours let alone 300hours of 21 but i have won 2grand in 30mins of VP
 
JohnCrover

JohnCrover

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You're thinking of video poker the wrong way. When you say you won 2 grand in 30 minutes you can't think of it as 2k won, you have to think about it in terms of expected value. In VP you're going ot lose over the long run so you have to work the comp system if you want to turn a profit in VP. You're going to get losing streaks in VP too. It happens in every game of chance.
 
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Stevel96a1

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maybe so, but 2 grand in 30min is more success to 80%-90% of counters who never ever see more than 1 unit of profit and forever lose their roll, i know Dany Paymore says i have a 1/7 chance of hiting a royal with a 400 credit roll

ive played all the table games, roullete, baccarat, blackjack and none of them ever gave me 2400$ in 2 days of gambling and my wife 2grand+ in 5min of gambling oppose to the other games

just my experience, oh and if you dont think you cant win huge in VP try youtube jackpots , jackpots in the realms of 20grand to 100grand has happened and its not a 1 in a million chance neither just 1/7 for every 400
 
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LC Larry

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The stuff you see on YouTube is highly, highy edited. You're only seeing a tiny, tiny portion of what they video tape. Naturally, they'll NEVER post the THOUSANDS of hours of losing videos! They only post the 5 MINUTES of winning ones.
 
Ryemo

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LC Larry said:
The stuff you see on YouTube is highly, highy edited. You're only seeing a tiny, tiny portion of what they video tape. Naturally, they'll NEVER post the THOUSANDS of hours of losing videos! They only post the 5 MINUTES of winning ones.
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If you’re referring to the video above, that’s a video of Colin Joins playing to show what a casino back off looks like.
 
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LC Larry

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Ryemo said:
If you’re referring to the video above, that’s a video of Colin Joins playing to show what a casino back off looks like.
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No I wasn't. I should've quoted the post above mine about slot videos. That's the one I was responding to.

I've seen that back off video before.
 
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BoSox

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Stevel96a1 said:
my questiong being is how does the card counter here on the east coast make a career out of blackjack?
when your edge is so razor thin, and your bankroll is very puny, and the pitbosses are on watch towards people varying their bets how is this accomplished they have to know how much you won$$$ over time and over months that would be me or you after a 2-6 weeks with a 1-6ish spread in modern times tell me i am wrong?
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You are definitely wrong! First, stop pretending that you are in the same category experience- wise than most members here, you are not even close, and it is not funny. You talk like you know something about the game of blackjack, you are not fooling anyone.
 
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Stevel96a1

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I am the face and voice of reason of all card counters! Now i can play lose' get backed off. Or break even onlyn1/4 chance to win oppose to a 1/7 royal i dunno one guy said 1) sit down 2) lose gambling is gambling but cmon im sure counters on this forum 10 years ago loat their money and intrest in this game all because of variance or back off
 
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Stevel96a1

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I read on videopoker.com someone lost 2k on ddb machine snd next to them was a old couple playing poorly and bam a 20k royal in 5 min or you can do everything right in still lose im sure this post is meaningless to most on this site but is 20k meaningless in 5 mins?
 
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LC Larry

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Stevel96a1 said:
I read on videopoker.com someone lost 2k on ddb machine snd next to them was a old couple playing poorly and bam a 20k royal in 5 min or you can do everything right in still lose im sure this post is meaningless to most on this site but is 20k meaningless in 5 mins?
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For all you know, they were down $50k when they hit that royal.
 
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SoftSeventeen

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Stevel96a1 said:
so here we are on the east coast, access to Pa gaming houses which offer great rules oppose to atlantic city
now we have a problem with a tiny number of gaming houses in Pa, oppose to atlantic city if every counter gets caught not if but when , we counters on the east must go to a H17 8 decker on the ac games, i have played 2300 hands full table on CVBJ 3.0 with a meager Bankroll of 2,000 came close to going to ruin twice and now came out ahead of some 80$ this is same rules as sands pa, and exiting out when shoes are not good for the player, a 1-6 spread to avoid detection for all those people who say 1-6 is not beatable re-read the sands pa rules and read again how i left the shoe at minus 5, so counters on the east coast i don't believe they are successful. however you can play video poker and get a bunch a royals within the year and have a nice winning streak

my questiong being is how does the card counter here on the east coast make a career out of blackjack?
when your edge is so razor thin, and your bankroll is very puny, and the pitbosses are on watch towards people varying their bets how is this accomplished they have to know how much you won$$$ over time and over months
that would be me or you after a 2-6 weeks with a 1-6ish spread in modern times tell me i am wrong?
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Blackjack is not, nor, was it ever, meant to be a career.
It is not, and, never has been, beatable, in the long run.
There is a reason why AP "hit and run", by making sure that each session is short.
There's nothing "short" about a career...unless you die early.
Trying to make blackjack a career, will end with exactly that outcome: an early career death.
 
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