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Harvey's Lake Tahoe stung by Thorp and JSTAT

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  1. JSTAT

    JSTAT Banned

    In the summer of 2007, my wife and I stayed at Harvey's as we do every summer. Her cousin who has been a resident of South Lake Tahoe since 1976 visited us in our room. He brought his wife, son, and an old friend of his. His friend was named Joe. When he introduced us, he said Joe was the casino manager of Harvey's, but now retired. I looked at him and knew him right away. I worked at Harvey's in 1979. They laid me off because of the gas crisis then. Last one hired, first one fired. I told Joe this and he was shocked. He asked the name of the shift manager at that time. I said his name and Joe believed me. I told him it was a blessing because I moved on to deal the best craps games in Las Vegas. I was pissed that I had to leave Lake Tahoe and my dreams were crushed. For payback of my layoff, I used my own Ten Count in 1992 at Harvey's and crushed them at single deck blackjack. Joe was surprised that I got away with it under his watch. I spread $5-$150 and only made big bets when the hi-lo count was negative and the Ten Count showed positive blackjack expectation. I assumed the eye in the sky used hi-lo to evaluate blackjack skill. I won $4000 in 6 hours of nonstop play. This fooled his bosses, and Joe was dismayed.

    Our conversation changed to Ed Thorp. Since Joe was the casino manager at the time, I asked him about Thorp's story in "Beat The Dealer(1962)" about Harvey's. Thorp wrote on page 112, "In two hours we broke the bank again. The great heaps of chips in front of us included more than $17,000 in profits. I had won about $6,000 and Mr. X, betting wildly, had won $11,000. I was tiring rapidly. The aftereffects of our huge dinner, the increased effort in managing two hands, and the strain of the last few days were telling. I began to find it very difficult to count properly and saw that Mr. X was equally far gone. I insisted that we quit, and I cashed in my $6,000." Joe's eyes lit up and said,"I threw that bum out of here and you know what he did? He hugged me and kissed me and said thank you!" I asked him about Mr. X and Joe said that he was a known player and let Mr. X play on. Thorp was backed off by Joe instead of "insisting that we quit" as written in "Beat The Dealer." It was surreal spending that afternoon with a part of blackjack history. To hear the untold story of Thorp's adventure at Harvey's with the casino manager who we both beat under his nose.

    Article published at http://www.examiner.com/x-18051-San-Francisco-Blackjack-Examiner~y2009m7d22-Poor-Joe
     
  2. 1357111317

    1357111317 Well-Known Member

    Where have I heard this story before? Sounds familiar.
     
  3. JSTAT

    JSTAT Banned

    Maybe you saw the story of Thorp beating Harveys on the History Channel's "Breaking Vegas" 1357... :laugh:
     
  4. KenSmith

    KenSmith Administrator Staff Member

  5. JSTAT

    JSTAT Banned

    Sorry Ken, didn't know that this story was on the "Going Postal" thread :eek:
     
  6. MarCn

    MarCn New Member

    I found many same stories in google it's not original article.
     
  7. bjcounter

    bjcounter Well-Known Member

  8. ronstevens

    ronstevens New Member


    I agree not a good story anyway,

    I began to find it very difficult to count properly and saw that Mr. X was equally far gone. I insisted that we quit, and I cashed in my $6,000." Joe's eyes lit up and said,"I threw that bum out of here and you know what he did? He hugged me and kissed me and said thank you!"

    I mean come on....
     
  9. ronstevens

    ronstevens New Member


    I don't know why my last post was deleted...

    What i asked was...where did you fond many other storied.

    I believe this is the original story from examiner...
     
  10. Sonny

    Sonny Well-Known Member

    You are right, that was the original story. The person who said that they found it somewhere else was just a troll. I will delete their post since it is not true. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

    -Sonny-
     
  11. jm7212729

    jm7212729 New Member

    It's kind of funny that someone will spend so much time posting the same story. Weirdo...
     
  12. FLASH1296

    FLASH1296 Well-Known Member


    Idiotic and probably false story.

    Did you notice this piece of artfully absurd poppycock?


    "I spread $5-$150 and only made big bets when the hi-lo count was
    negative and the Ten Count showed positive blackjack expectation."


     
  13. zengrifter

    zengrifter Banned

    1. Could it possibly be true?
    2. How would he know?
     
  14. FLASH1296

    FLASH1296 Well-Known Member


    Utter nonsense.

    The Ten Count meaures the ratio of 10 pip cards to others.

    As Hi-Lo balances TENS (and Aces) against others, they are
    measuring almost the same thing.

    The Ten Count, naturally, is the PERFECT Insurance Count.
     
  15. KenSmith

    KenSmith Administrator Staff Member

    It's also funny how some people visit the site by going to this thread from a bookmark and register a brand-new account just to bump it to the top again.

    We've had the last useful post in this thread. Locked.
     
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