How do I make my 1st million via AP and +EV Game Sharing

#1
Long story short, I started with BJ counting but failed. I made my 1st million through teamwork in physical casinos and online Casinos OUTSIDE the US. Those who are interested in the details can read my extended story below. I have lived in the US for many years and started my AP career in 2014. I am currently live in Las Vegas.

I am an Asian, now I am going to move back to Asia very soon. Since I am leaving the US, I would like to share my hundreds of +EV games information with others and also build some connection in the US AP community during my last days in the U.S. Please contact my Gmail: apingy6 if you are interested.

Here are two very good BJ locations in WI/MI not on CBJN

Mole Lake Casino at WI.

I visited it a few years ago and surprisingly it never on CBJN even now. They have DD BJ up to $250 and they do not really care if you vary your bet. We had a great session jumping from $10 to 2x$250 for 2 hours and win a couple of thousand. Also, they have a promotion if you spend $ to stay they will give you the same amount of $ to play at slot (even on VP).

Northern Waters at MI

They have the easiest DD BJ for shuffle tracking. Easily made a few thousand within 2 days and they never understand what we did.

A good Ace-tracing location

Mount Airy Casino. $5000 Max in High limit. A three of us small Ace teaming won over ~$20,000 there within 3 days. Also if you deposit over $50,000 front money, they give you 5-10% betting vouch (need to talk to a host). We left because it became too hot but was able to withdraw our front money without any issue

Bad Beat Baccarat Side Bet
I also shared a Bac sidebet +EV game in another post. Palms, Palace Station, Red Rock, Stratosphere (not anymore), Green Valley, Tropicana, Sunset Station, Boulder Station in Vegas has this game. The max for different Casino varies from $50-$200. For Casinos outside Vegas and the counting system please refer to my other post on "skilled play" board

A human doable counting system gives out almost 2 units (200% +EV) won per shoe. A team of 4 with $100 a bet can make $800 per shoe (1-2 hours).

rules are here
https://wizardofodds.com/games/bacca...beat-baccarat/


Extended Version

Hi everybody, I am new to this forum but not new to the AP world. I started my AP career back in 2014 from a small town in Mid-west. The driving time to the nearest Casino is an hour (now still). And their BJ rules were sucks! Apparently, I did not make money from counting BJ.

Later, I started to learn other skills from Eliot's book/Apheat and Michael's site including counting sidebet of BJ and other games, edge-sorting, hole-carding, collusion (among players), loss rebate and etc. I am an Asian, so I have lots of contacts in the Asian AP community. I also learned shuffle tracking, Ace-tracing, wheel clocking, a few slot tricks, and CSM next card hearing, etc from them.

Though I learned a lot, I am actually not a good AP player in Physical Casinos. Subtracting the expense, I did not make good money on most of my solo trips. The best game I played was a Paigow hole-carding game. This is truly the Holy Grail game for a starter. The variance is so low and EV is high. I think its DI can beat any +EV table games ever existed. I have a much more advanced strategy than APheat’s one. I can play ~50% hand compare to APheat’s 10%. By using varied betting, I can get an averagely ~16.4% EV on each betting. And the Bankroll for 5% ROR (lose all before double) is less than 7 big bets!! I play by myself, being both the spotter and BP. Well, even with such a dreamy game, I barely earned ~$20,000 during a year (well, not every time I went I can play, who do hole-carding should understand. I usually got a good session averagely once a month. But as long as I got a good session, not even a single time I left without winning). And surely this amount cannot cover my living expenses for a whole year.

After this short period of sole playing, I started to attend and then organize teams. I feel I am much more comfortable to work together with others than fight solely. I have partnered with BJtraveller and other you-do-not-know-names Asian APs (though lots of them made multi-million from AP) for a few teams. I cooperated with my friend to crack dozens of new games. For example, we calculated the strategy of the Paigow HC game ourselves. Tbh, if we wanted to, we can write a book as thick as Eliot’s book. We just do not have time. In 2017, I joined and invested in John Chang’s new loss rebate team in Vegas. We ended up raising a 4 million bankroll and I have around 8% share. Sadly we did not make money at that team. (John’s old L.R. team made about 20 million within 2 years).

During 2016-2019, I organized and partnered over 20 teams in the US and around the world. (We usually form one team for each loophole, the members and investors change). Include blackjack, table poker game basic strategy +EV, loss rebate, a few different Bac side bets, trackings, Bac known card(s) and etc. Some teams made 6 figures profit within a month. Most of my members and partners are Asians. I actually have some fame among Asian APs. Although I lived in the U.S. for many years, I simply have no time to start my connection with U.S. APs. Now I decided to move back to Asia and continue my AP career outside the U.S.

Well, I did make some money through teamwork but not a ton. In fact, I made my big fortune from online Casino OUTSIDE the US. I personally do not go to play in Physical Casino anymore not because I was 86ed but because I do not like the Casino environment. (I was only 86ed by less than a handful of Casinos). But during these AP adventures, I develop a habit to scout Casinos. I have road-tripped over 40 states of the US. Based on my own traveling, I estimate there are about 750 to 800 Casinos in the U.S. with table games. This number is more accurate than any open/public sources as far as I know. There are about 200 Casinos with table games on my list that are not on CBJN for different reasons (Some never appear). I have been to over 500 of those Casinos. Of course, I scout using every skill I know not only counting.

I found hundreds of +EV games. I reported the BJ condition part to the CBJN. I started to report to CBJN in 2014. You can see my name “Ping” appears in the reporter section for 6 areas currently. I previously also used other names on the CBJN. Obviously, I cannot utilize all those US loopholes myself not even with my teams. So, I am willing to share those +EV games with other APs in the U.S. I am particularly interested in online casinos and sports betting but open to other communications. There is a multi-billion US$ market for sports betting in Asia.

Contact me by my Gmail: [email protected] or message me on this site
(I don‘t know if the email can be posted here, if not allowed, GM please remove my email).

Below is the map of the Casinos on my list

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#3
Counting_Is_Fun said:
What the hell is wrong with you man? Ugg
Fine. If you or anyone think I ruined your game or other's game. Just email me. I will give you a few good games in private to compensate you.
 
#6
FYI. I do not ask anything for return if I share information with you here or in private. Anyone can be comfortable to contact me and I will not ask any information from you
 

DSchles

Well-Known Member
#7
Ping said:
FYI. I do not ask anything for return if I share information with you here or in private. Anyone can be comfortable to contact me and I will not ask any information from you
We understand that. We're trying to explain to you that you have already posted volumes of sensitive information on at least three prominent blackjack sites, if not more. We're trying to explain that a) that was a very bad mistake in judgment, and b) you should consider not doing any further damage by refraining from making similar posts.

Don
 

Counting_Is_Fun

Well-Known Member
#8
Ping said:
Fine. If you or anyone think I ruined your game or other's game. Just email me. I will give you a few good games in private to compensate you.
How about you just delete your posts here and the other forums. You are a jerk. #getaclue
 

Bluest

Well-Known Member
#9
I don't know why you guys are being so harsh toward Ping. He may not be so proprietary and hoarding as some of you... maybe Advantage Plays are not that big a deal, and he values sharing and wants to share information. I think the response is too harsh. Thank you Ping! Very thoughtful of you. Wishing you tons of success here and in Asia brother!
 
#10
Bluest said:
I don't know why you guys are being so harsh toward Ping. He may not be so proprietary and hoarding as some of you... maybe Advantage Plays are not that big a deal, and he values sharing and wants to share information. I think the response is too harsh. Thank you Ping! Very thoughtful of you. Wishing you tons of success here and in Asia brother!
Thank you so much for your support!! Really give me a lot of faith
 

The G Man

Well-Known Member
#11
Funny, this guy doesn't seem to understand "ni du cul, ni de la tête" like we say in french!
He even reiterate on the Wizard and Norm sites.
And for you "Bluest", are you new to BJ AP play?
You look like a newbie! You have no idea how some of the pros are working hard to find good games. Ping is an idiot, period.
 

Bluest

Well-Known Member
#12
Yup, I am new. And super grateful for the info. I don't quite agree with your harsh assessment of Ping. To clarify, you're upset that Ping may be sharing information you prefer to keep private? It could be that while you guard information very carefully, he finds all this easy, and so shares it. See, your assessment is based on your own values: which are valid. Ping may just have differing values; he may value sharing this information as much as you do hoarding it. Thus, you can dislike what he did, but calling him names is hurtful and bad form.
 

The G Man

Well-Known Member
#13
"Yup, I am new"
You will come to learn that some info can be shared in the open, but some other type of info cannot be shared on open boards, like specific games or location. If you ask me on an open board what are the rules and the number of decks in casino X, I have no problem telling you it's 6 decks, S17, DAS and LS. HOWEVER, if you want me to disclose the specific "shuffle" or if they do stripping (for Ace location) or not, this is sensitive! Why? Because when you give up a vulnerable information, AP from all over the country can fly there and burn the game, simple as that! Also, some of the casinos are looking at these boards too and can easily make correction in their procedures, etc. You want to share sensitive information, do so in private, fine.

This is called "respect" for those who works hard to find good games.
 
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Bluest

Well-Known Member
#14
I appreciate your point entirely. I would probably do the same as you. It could be Ping has differing values, and his own reasons for posting all this. He finds it really easy, perhaps. So sharing it is not such a big deal to him.
 
#15
Bluest said:
I appreciate your point entirely. I would probably do the same as you. It could be Ping has differing values, and his own reasons for posting all this. He finds it really easy, perhaps. So sharing it is not such a big deal to him.
You are a newbie and have no idea what you are talking about.
You and the idiot should listen to The G Man and others.
Posting this kind of specific game info is not appreciated by those of us who actually play BJ.
It is not tolerated out in an open forum, so mind your manners and opinions.
Or leave.
This entire thread should be removed by the moderators immediately.
 

Bluest

Well-Known Member
#16
You are a true jaded fascist who resorts to threats and name calling when you fail to make a cogent point. Your language toward and regarding Ping was abusive; if anyone should be concerned to be banned it is you. You have a lot to learn about life and how to relate to others; I don't expect you will learn it.

You feel so threatened when someone disagrees with you, you resort to threats and name calling, and for mods to remove the thread. You will not be much of an AP in relationships. In fact your prognosis is quite poor. Once again, and for the last time, i respect your point of view on why Ping should or should not post such info, but not the way you talked to him. It just reveals you to be stingy and not terribly bright.
 
#17
Bluest said:
You are a true jaded fascist who resorts to threats and name calling when you fail to make a cogent point. Your language toward and regarding Ping was abusive; if anyone should be concerned to be banned it is you. You have a lot to learn about life and how to relate to others; I don't expect you will learn it.

You feel so threatened when someone disagrees with you, you resort to threats and name calling, and for mods to remove the thread. You will not be much of an AP in relationships. In fact your prognosis is quite poor. Once again, and for the last time, i respect your point of view on why Ping should or should not post such info, but not the way you talked to him. It just reveals you to be stingy and not terribly bright.
Nobody threatened you or anyone else clown...get a clue.
Or better yet, just leave.
We all know who Ping really is...he is new on this forum, but not the other forums. A name change doesn't fool people who know.
I thought my points were fairly cogent, it's not that hard to understand for most people.
And actually, I think Ping and Bluest are the same lame person.
Fyi...you don't know anything.
 
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#18
Counting_Is_Fun said:
Nobody threatened you or anyone else clown...get a clue.
Or better yet, just leave.
We all know who Ping really is...he is new on this forum, but not the other forums. A name change doesn't fool people who know.
I thought my points were fairly cogent, it's not that hard to understand for most people.
And actually, I think Ping and Bluest are the same lame person.
Fyi...you don't know anything.
I am curious. Who do you think I am really is? That could be quite a good joke I can tell others Lol
 
#19
DSchles said:
We understand that. We're trying to explain to you that you have already posted volumes of sensitive information on at least three prominent blackjack sites, if not more. We're trying to explain that a) that was a very bad mistake in judgment, and b) you should consider not doing any further damage by refraining from making similar posts.

Don
Hello Don. Thank you for replying to my post. I did not realize who you are in the first place until actually someone reminded me. I like your BJA book. I actually bought 3 of these books. 2 for my friends, 1 for myself. I still have it in my home now. It is a very professional written book.

There might be different opinions on what I did and thinking to do in the future. Let me explain myself. As you can see, I learned a lot from other APs. books, in person, etc. So now as I almost retired from physical casino playing. I feel I could return the favor that others gave me before and contribute my 2 cents to the community.

I feel you should be able to understand because you also wrote books to teach others. Actually, I know a Singapore AP read and learned a lot from your book and attacked (well, also destroyed) lots of games in Asia and make millions. Will people accuse you of sharing too much?

The second reason I like to share is I believe in teamwork. As I wrote in the OP, I did not make any money during my solo playing. I think teamwork saved me. So I would like to find people who are willing to trust others and form teams

Anyway, it is my honor to get your attention.
 
#20
The G Man said:
"Yup, I am new"
You will come to learn that some info can be shared in the open, but some other type of info cannot be shared on open boards, like specific games or location. If you ask me on an open board what are the rules and the number of decks in casino X, I have no problem telling you it's 6 decks, S17, DAS and LS. HOWEVER, if you want me to disclose the specific "shuffle" or if they do stripping (for Ace location) or not, this is sensible! Why? Because when you give up a vulnerable information, AP from all over the country can fly there and burn the game, simple as that! Also, some of the casinos are looking at these boards too and can easily make correction in their procedures, etc. You want to share sensible information, do so in private, fine.

This is called "respect" for those who works hard to find good games.
For those guys accuse me of sharing in open boards. Honestly, I do this partly because I have no choice. As I said in OP, I have NO contacts in US AP community at all. Open forums is the only place I can speak my voice. (I consider those paid forums the same as open forums, if ANYONE can pay a small amount to join those paid forums, what's the difference of paid and free forum)

If you guys have some private AP circles you are willing to invite me in. I will more than happy to share sensitive information only in those circuls
 
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