I sometimes wonder...

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Jeff25

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After catching 5 dealer mistakes that favoured the house the other day, 2 with max bet, I sometimes wonder if certain dealers are trained or encouraged to try and intentally rip-off players the casino has determined they don't like. :(

The mistakes ranged from taking pushes, paying BJ 1:1 and calling a 5 card 22 a 21.

Who knows, maybe dealers that get real good at stealing from players are even paid a bonus?
 
EarthBowser

EarthBowser

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It's a lot more likely that the dealer or dealers you caught making mistakes were just lazy, stupid, tired, new, having a bad day, and/or just not paying attention.
 
Gamblor

Gamblor

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Saw the same thing recently, and was beginning to think the same thing, until the obviously tired/out of it dealer mistakenly gave me an error in my favor :) Throwing a distracting comment their way is sometimes helpful.
 
NAP

NAP

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Gamblor said:
Saw the same thing recently, and was beginning to think the same thing, until the obviously tired/out of it dealer mistakenly gave me an error in my favor :) Throwing a distracting comment their way is sometimes helpful.
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Having really weird bet sizes when you hit a blackjack can also help your odds. :cool:
 
kewljason

kewljason

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NAP said:
Having really weird bet sizes when you hit a blackjack can also help your odds. :cool:
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While rainbow betting (weird bet sizes with different colored chips) can encourage dealer errors, it also severly slows down the game, which can cost even more money. So unless you find a very mathematically challenged dealer, it probably isn't beneficial in the long run. :sad:

While there's nothing illegal about it, for me, encouraging dealer errors, falls into the same catagory as hole-carding. I will take the opportunities when they occur, but I don't seek them out. In the end, I like knowing that I have won fair and square. :cool:
 
NAP

NAP

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kewljason said:
While there's nothing illegal about it, for me, encouraging dealer errors, falls into the same catagory as hole-carding.
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For the record, I never said it was something I encouraged :)angel:), just pointing out the situation I see them most consistently.
 
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Sucker

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In my 30 years of playing blackjack for a living, and having witnessed many thousands of dealer errors; I can state with absolute certainty that that; for these types of errors, the ratio of errors FOR the player to the ratio of errors AGAINST the player is almost exactly 50-50.
 
b jay cobbson

b jay cobbson

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EarthBowser said:
It's a lot more likely that the dealer or dealers you caught making mistakes were just lazy, stupid, tired, new, having a bad day, and/or just not paying attention.
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Most likely all of the above, except "new".

Cobbson
 
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blackriver

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Theres a hilarious dealer in vegas that deals about 50 hands an hour and treats customers like ****. I was like htf does he have a job while normal people don't.then I noticed he always tries to steal about 10% of bets any way possible. Was amazing. A year later I saw him again, same thing. Dude its a legend.never mispays though
 
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Sucker

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He's an ex prize-fighter from Chicago. I think he took a few too many punches. I've been playing his table since he worked at the Dunes. It's not his personality that keeps me coming back. ;)
 
Dyepaintball12

Dyepaintball12

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kewljason said:
While there's nothing illegal about it, for me, encouraging dealer errors, falls into the same catagory as hole-carding. I will take the opportunities when they occur, but I don't seek them out. In the end, I like knowing that I have won fair and square. :cool:
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If a dealer flashes me her hole card and I act on that information, I win fair and square. I didn't tell her to show it to me.

It's not my fault she sucks at her job!
 
kewljason

kewljason

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Dyepaintball12 said:
If a dealer flashes me her hole card and I act on that information, I win fair and square. I didn't tell her to show it to me.

It's not my fault she sucks at her job!
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Very True, Dye. I said that if it falls to me, I take advantage of it. I just don't run all over town seeking out weak dealers that show their hole card. And I don't keep a log of dealers that are weak in that regard, the way I do with dealers and penetration levels. ;) That's just me.

I don't blame those that do though. It is totally the casino's responsibility to protect their games and if they are weak in doing so, they deserve to be exploited.
 
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tthree

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kewljason said:
Very True, Dye. I said that if it falls to me, I take advantage of it. I just don't run all over town seeking out weak dealers that show their hole card. And I don't keep a log of dealers that are weak in that regard, the way I do with dealers and penetration levels. ;) That's just me.

I don't blame those that do though. It is totally the casino's responsibility to protect their games and if they are weak in doing so, they deserve to be exploited.
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I watched the movie "Casino" today. They had an interesting way of dealing with hole carders. They didn't cut off his hand with a circular saw but the smashed it repeatedly with a framing hammer. De Nero didn't blame the dealer at all. What the cheats were doing was illegal though.
 
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Sucker

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tthree said:
What the cheats were doing was illegal though.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the guys in the movie were first-basing; which of course was ruled by the Nevada Supreme Court to be LEGAL (Einbinder-Dalben Decision).
 
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tthree

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Sucker said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the guys in the movie were first-basing; which of course was ruled by the Nevada Supreme Court to be LEGAL (Einbinder-Dalben Decision).
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They were signaling with an electronic device taped to the spotters leg. They didn't even work out ten body gestures. Devices are illegal.
 
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AussiePlayer

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Sucker said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the guys in the movie were first-basing; which of course was ruled by the Nevada Supreme Court to be LEGAL (Einbinder-Dalben Decision).
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Aren't the guys on 2 different tables (spooking) and using an electronic device to signal each other (although this was probably before they were outlawed being set in the 1970's)
 
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Sucker

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Ok - Now I remember. Been a while since I saw the movie. And yes; signaling devices have ALWAYS been illegal.

Funny thing; back in the day when spooking teams were rampant, NO one ever used a device to signal, there were too many OTHER ways to do it. :laugh:

But then again, the guy who wrote the script HAD to make it interesting, I guess...... :grin:
 
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Machinist

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KJ....a list please

KJ with as much as you pound the pavement...Uhhhh....if you would start a list of sloppy dealers.....I would gladly pay for such a list.......:grin::grin::grin:
CASH !!!!!!

Machinist
 
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blackriver

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Machinist said:
KJ with as much as you pound the pavement...Uhhhh....if you would start a list of sloppy dealers.....I would gladly pay for such a list.......:grin::grin::grin:
CASH !!!!!!

Machinist
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Likewise, but I always assumed kj was a shoe player. Id share profits, pay our even give some specific tips on things you could add to your game
 
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