ITS OFFICIAL PART 3

[ZenKinG]

This is the last of these threads. Once again i get killed at bellagio. The whole center of the strip is fucking completely rigged. Ill get the last laugh at these corrupt dirty corporations. Keep in mind im down 6k at bellagio in only 19 hours betting only 2x200 and only playing positive counts. Let that sink in. Dont forget Planet Hollywood, Caesars, Ballys and Harrahs where im also down over 3k each.

Just so everyone knows what goes on in this town. I just hope theyre ready because no one cheats me. I always get the last laugh you fucking corrupt fucks.

Whats even funnier and you cant make this up you really cant but it symbol8zes once again how much my life is a troll from God. Im up 700 for the day and i walk past a homeless man with a sign about 'karma'. And what do you know i lose the following 2 shoes hahahha. And people wonder why im the fucking best. Look at what it takes to stop me. Corrupt fucling enterprises and god cursing me.

Flyers are going out all of next week. Thousands of flyers going out. Partys over vegas. And no they have no claim against me for defamation because there is absolutely no transparency going on between casino and patron. This is just the beginning. Well see whos laughing soon. I swear to god mark my words vegas never met someone like me.

 

[ZenKinG]

Wow and what do you know. I never lose more than 3 shoes in a row if i backcount aggressively. But guess what? I finally lost 4 shoes in a row hahahahha. Had to happen as soon as i see a karma sign on the strip from a homeless guy. People just have no idea how much of a troll my life is, they really dont. Not only do i get cheated on a daily basis, the amount of trolling this universe does to me is laughable. It just had to happen as soon as i see a random karma sign on the strip? I mean really? Lmaoo.

When i die, i swear im gonna die a happy man. Im so proud of what i accomplished. The amount of bullshit i consistently overcome in my life tells me all. The fact that all this bullshit still hasnt stopped me just tells the world to me. They dont make many zenkings thats for sure. God bless the king. Anybody else wouldve quit or jumped off a bridge by now. But me? I just keep going. God help everyone if i ever get the same luck as everyone else. Have to work 5x harder just to be even but i wouldnt have it any other way. It simply wouldnt be fair, because life qould be 1 easy for me.

 

[Midwest Player]

Had to happen as soon as i see a karma sign on the strip from a homeless guy......................... It just had to happen as soon as i see a random karma sign on the strip? I mean really? Lmaoo.

Did you drop some change into the homeless guy's cup. On my only trip to Vegas I dropped some change into a homeless person's cup.

 

[xengrifter]

Keep in mind im down 6k at bellagio in only 19 hours betting only 2x200 and only playing positive counts.

That's only 30 bets!!??

 

[Hell'nBack]

That's only 30 bets!!??

Why has your site imploded?

 

[xengrifter]

Apparently it was a dormant hack, a Trojan something that impacted on renewal when the DNS repropagated... I am told it will be back on sometime today.

Or maybe, it blew up from all the hate?

 

[Hell'nBack]

Apparently it was a dormant hack, a Trojan something that impacted on renewal when the DNS repropagated... I am told it will be back on sometime today.

Or maybe, it blew up from all the hate?

Well, they'll definitely feel chagrined over at BJTF.

 

[Tater]

Apparently it was a dormant hack, a Trojan something that impacted on renewal when the DNS repropagated... I am told it will be back on sometime today.

Or maybe, it blew up from all the hate?

Or both. Many would benefit from the latter...and have.

 

[Tater]

When i die, i swear im gonna die a happy man. .

1.) You think it's going to matter? Sorry Zenner, just trying something out.

Im so proud of what i accomplished..

As you should be. If I had a dollar for every guy I've seen that was going to set the casinos on fire come and go. I'd have...O wait I do. Nevermind.

The amount of bullshit i consistently overcome in my life tells me all. The fact that all this bullshit still hasnt stopped me just tells the world to me. They dont make many zenkings thats for sure...

You get no argument from me. They broke the mold. Someone told you it would be downhill, sunshine, and lollipops?

God bless the king...

Amen, to that! And Don S of course.

Anybody else wouldve quit or jumped off a bridge by now....

Which takes me back to question 1?

But me? I just keep going. God help everyone if i ever get the same luck as everyone else. .

...And then you'd be even

Have to work 5x harder just to be even but i wouldnt have it any other way. It simply wouldnt be fair, because life qould be 1 easy for me.

Ahem. One job keeps you even. Two jobs puts you ahead. One wrong wife and you're back to even. Two? And we are back to question 1?

 

[Hell'nBack]

1.)
Ahem. One job keeps you even. Two jobs puts you ahead. One wrong wife and you're back to even. Two? And we are back to question 1?

What? You had a wife? OMFG!

 

[Tater]

What? You had a wife? OMFG!

Yep. A long long time ago. Shooters and Targets.

 

[JJP]

Yep. A long long time ago. Shooters and Targets.

Or as "The Dude" in The Big Lebowski would say, "strikes and gutters".

 

[ZenKinG]

Is this really happening to my bankroll? Really? As soon as i start only playing +2 and higher i drop 8k LOL. This is exactly part of the troll that my life really is. Not to mention ever since i tried to hustle this kid in a fifa tournament online to get a free win off the admin, i immediately lose 8k. Keep in mind my max is only 2x150 and played only 30 hours during this streak AND only playing true counts of +2 and higher with halves and close to full indices LOL When you run like me and still dont give up, it honestly says everything. Whole world against me. Karma. God hates me. Variance hates me. Still dont quit. 35k under EV. Still dont quit LOL

99.9999% counters cannot deal with what ive dealt with and still continue. Be happy with your fake hundreds of thousands and all the fake players and stories out there. No one out there will ever be as proud as me when I look back. How I continously kept all my discipline with how I played and never gave up. Thats what real talent is. Keep in mind i also started my career 600 hours breakeven lmaoo. Still dont quit. Tell me how many counters started with 600 hours breakeven. This is why im the best. You can have people that 'claim' they made hundreds of thousands, but none of them even if those stories are true can deal what ive dealt with and not quit. God bless me seriously.

 

[SplitFaceDisaster]

I know I`m not telling you anything new, but most of the games in Vegas aren`t exactly stellar in terms of N-Zero, so you just gotta hang in there and keep the faith. You`ve been doing this longer than I have, so I`m not gonna sit here and say "I`ve been through the exact same". However, I am going through somewhat similar to what you are in terms of the variance so I can relate. That`s another thing too, if you`re playing full indices, the variance is obviously gonna be way crazier. I`m not saying you shouldn`t go for the throat when the edge is there, I`m just saying that if you do, it`s going to make the swings fluctuate way more wildly. So my point in saying all that is, that`s something positive that should help your mindset to get through the trenches... Because even though it`s not working now, when you do run like you should in those +EV spots, you`re gonna hit a massive upswing! In the short term even BS splits and doubles at a high count/with big bets out can determine your bottom line for weeks at a time. Anyway, keep blasting away and you`ll be just fine.

 

[Dummy]

You guys are funny. You cry about the variance of the game but never learn to do anything about it. You average a very wide range of advantage to come up with a not very accurate bet using a system that has high BC. You never try to figure out how to decipher where you are in that wide range when making bets. Most people think of the neutral cards as only affecting playing decisions because their betting RoR is so small. But advantage isn't about summing betting EoRs. It is about the current deck composition you are up against and in this respect those neutral cards are not so neutral. If you have a TC of +3 with 2 decks left but there are a huge surplus of neutral cards the density of high cards is greatly reduced. If those same neutral cards are in a big deficit the density of high cards is much higher. Don't you think that has a big influence on where you are in that wide range of possible advantages for TC +3.

All the TC tells you is if you eliminate all the remaining neutral cards, what the relative relationship is between low cards and high cards. Guess what, those neutral cards are still in the deck. You are trying to bet based on the density of high cards, but you can't unless you take into account those not so neutral neutral cards. Since the vast majority of deck compositions in any TC have a bet less than your bet based on the average of all deck compositions, you are usually slightly over betting your actual advantage for that deck composition. What do you think that does to the way wins and losses stack up? These are balanced by much rarer times where you are vastly under betting the actual advantage. What are the effects of that? By considering those not so neutral neutral cards when assessing the deck composition for density of high cards in order to size your bet you bet far more accurately which makes the results from all your bets much better behaved.

I am sure Tater understands what I am saying. You have to gather a little bit more information, but that information has its uses for improving both betting and playing decisions. The result will be smaller losses and more frequent wins. Basically the bell curve of results will move to the right slightly and be narrower. This makes losses less frequent and smaller while increasing wins . Mostly smaller wins are increased a lot but larger wins also increase. Long term stats don't show short term swings so you have to play both to live the difference. The difference will be obvious. Like was said earlier, trusting the math and enduring the swings will get you to long run EV if you play perfectly. But large buy-ins, large swings etc associated with that makes you seem much more threatening. Smaller buy-in requirements and smaller swings make you much more easily tolerated.

 

[BJgenius007]

Wow and what do you know. I never lose more than 3 shoes in a row if i backcount aggressively. But guess what? I finally lost 4 shoes in a row hahahahha. Had to happen as soon as i see a karma sign on the strip from a homeless guy. People just have no idea how much of a troll my life is, they really dont. Not only do i get cheated on a daily basis, the amount of trolling this universe does to me is laughable. It just had to happen as soon as i see a random karma sign on the strip? I mean really? Lmaoo.

I didn't believe your story first. But now I believe you. My counting system is AccuZen (Zen with side count of 8/9, so I cover every rank.). Now I use two different strategies on 1) Hand Shuffled/True Random ASM. 2) Beast Mode ASM. Because I factor in cards of eight's and nine's, my insurance is super accurate. So I am God-like on insurance when playing Hand Shuffled. But I really don't bother on buying insurance against beast mode ASM. The likelihood of face card is more correlated if not absolutely correlated to the clump. For example, even TC is as high as ten, I saw there are all small cards on the table, no face card at all, if I buy insurance according to TC, I ALWAYS lost the insurance bet. That is why I strongly believe beat mode exists based on my insurance play. When I play hand-shuffle, my success rate is over 80%. When I play clump ASM, my insurance success rate is not even reaching the average 31%. I would say less than 20%.

About the two strategies I used. I still use TC-based index play as usual on hand shuffled game. On ASM I suspect it running on beast mode, I hedge my bet by using Fuzzy logic. I would use the last five cards to predict dealer's down card and the card I would receive (so I prefer sitting on the first base). (More accurately, five leading cards to predict small/face card clump. Eight leading cards to predict mid-card clump. So I have to find an almost full table.) Then I would decide which I believe more, TC or clump. Actually it is more fun playing this way. I just add one layer above. I can play traditional way or the new way. The Fuzzy logic, means the decision is not necessarily zero or one. I can make a number between 0 and 1, biased to either side.

This is off topic to ZK's original post. I just want to share my two cents on how I beat beast mode. So far so good. I have lost extremely high share of my BR on one particular casino that I strongly suspect practicing beast mode ASM. In the past three or four years, I lost on 80% of my trips using traditional TC-based counting there. Now since I switched to Fuzzy-logic based strategy (considering both TC and clump), I won 90% of my trips. Some wins are quite sizeable.

 

[LC Larry]

There is no such F$#%ing thing as beast mode, el Cortez cheating or anything else!! Get the f%$# over it.

 

[psyduck]

All the TC tells you is if you eliminate all the remaining neutral cards, what the relative relationship is between low cards and high cards. Guess what, those neutral cards are still in the deck. You are trying to bet based on the density of high cards, but you can't unless you take into account those not so neutral neutral cards. Since the vast majority of deck compositions in any TC have a bet less than your bet based on the average of all deck compositions, you are usually slightly over betting your actual advantage for that deck composition. What do you think that does to the way wins and losses stack up? These are balanced by much rarer times where you are vastly under betting the actual advantage. What are the effects of that? By considering those not so neutral neutral cards when assessing the deck composition for density of high cards in order to size your bet you bet far more accurately which makes the results from all your bets much better behaved.

It is misleading and incorrect for you to imply that knowing the distribution of those "neutral cards" can turn losing a lot to winning a lot.

 

[SplitFaceDisaster]

You guys are funny. You cry about the variance of the game but never learn to do anything about it.

Since your post was right after mine, I can only assume you were including me when you said "you guys". Show me one post of mine where I`ve cried about variance. You won`t find any. All I said was that I can relate to what he`s going through, and I was trying to be the voice of encouragement and positivity. I`m not pissed you said that or anything because maybe you`re confusing me with someone else, etc., but I just wanted to set the record straight.

 

[BJgenius007]

There is no such F$#%ing thing as beast mode, el Cortez cheating or anything else!! Get the f%$# over it.

It is much easier to making money when ASM deals non-random cards. Once you see the flow and follow it, you will win at least 60% of hands. On the other hand, you will see people mastering Basic Strategy curse non-stop at such tables. That is because the sequence (face cards clumping together, small cards clumping together) is just to make traditional counters or Basic Strategy players lose money fast. One important tip. Never double on 9 because it is either 6+3 or 5+4 against a small up card. Players will get another small card and dealer will end up making a hand as small cards keep coming from the small card clump.