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ZenKinG · Jul 3, 2018

EVERYTIME im HEADS UP with 2 hands I get my ass KICKED. I mean what the hell is going on. Im convinced i have no edge when heads up. Either I play from the beginning with 1 hand and then spread to 2 hands at +1 ill get my ass kicked or if I backcount and jump in and the person or persons at the table leaves and putting me heads up after i backcounted, ill also get my ass kicked when that happens. I literally never lose when I backcount and play with other players.

Is my life one serious troll from god? When I lose its always the same way to piss me off even more. I feel like all my hard work just goes to waste because im now 100% certain I dont have an edge when playing heads up with the dealer with 2 hands.

Go ahead and sim it and find out for yourselves. Do both scenarios. Wong Halves Full Indices heads up 1x15 to 2x200. Or sim pure backcounting and me heads up with the dealer after players leave if possible. Im convinced you cannot win heads up vs the dealer with 2 hands. All my max bets just get wiped everytime. The EV per hour will be negative. Fucking bullshit i swear

BJgenius007 · Jul 3, 2018

ZenKinG said:

Unless you are cheated, you should have the edge, actually way above 1%, no matter your playing style is play-all/Wong-in, head-up/with full table of ploppies. Bet spread is your friend. Twenty to one spread in 6D/8D is good enough. Even with ten to one spread in 6D at my home base, I can still have 1% advantage if I use full indexes.

Half Smoke · Jul 3, 2018

ZenKinG said:

You're bringing people down and misleading new players with your bogus claims. You've been informed numerous times that your disappointing results are due to variance not due to cheating by the casino or by wrong public information about the nature of an AP's edge at BJ. It's also IMO possible that your play is riddled with errors as from your posts you seem to be a hotheaded person. Hotheaded people often make mistakes and/or jump to wrong conclusions.

JohnCrover · Jul 3, 2018

ZenKinG said:

EVERYTIME im HEADS UP with 2 hands I get my ass KICKED. I mean what the hell is going on. Im convinced i have no edge when heads up. Either I play from the beginning with 1 hand and then spread to 2 hands at +1 ill get my ass kicked or if I backcount and jump in and the person or persons at the table leaves and putting me heads up after i backcounted, ill also get my ass kicked when that happens. I literally never lose when I backcount and play with other players.

Is my life one serious troll from god? When I lose its always the same way to piss me off even more. I feel like all my hard work just goes to waste because im now 100% certain I dont have an edge when playing heads up with the dealer with 2 hands.

Go ahead and sim it and find out for yourselves. Do both scenarios. Wong Halves Full Indices heads up 1x15 to 2x200. Or sim pure backcounting and me heads up with the dealer after players leave if possible. Im convinced you cannot win heads up vs the dealer with 2 hands. All my max bets just get wiped everytime. The EV per hour will be negative. Fucking bullshit i swear

If you're 100% convinced you're being cheated then it's time to leave Las Vegas.

Rebecca C · Jul 3, 2018

I've never had difficulty in LV playing heads-up or otherwise.

ZenKinG · Jul 4, 2018

But not one person will run a sim on heads up spreading to 2 hands in + counts and tell me what the EV is. Not one person will tell me their playing history of heads up play. What a coincidence.

JohnCrover · Jul 4, 2018

ZenKinG said:

ZenKingG, it's all a conspiracy. No one is going to run a sim for you because you're running so far below EV it would be blatantly obvious you're being cheated. Just like the simulation Split face disaster ran for you when you were 100% positive your results were far below EV.

KewlJ · Jul 4, 2018

I am almost afraid to ask why you keep requesting other people to run sims for you? Why aren't you running them yourself?

Please, please don't tell me that you haven't purchased Norm's software (for some idiotic reason)? Any serious player invests in software so he can figure these and many other answers out for himself.

ZenKinG · Jul 4, 2018

KewlJ said:

If you have my read my post history, you would know i have both Casino Verite, CVCX, as well as CVDATA. The problem is, everytime i run my own sim on CVCX, im not sure what im doing wrong, the results come out with win ratea per hour in the megatives or a really low number, im not sure why.

Because of this, I have always just used the achived sims that Norm has provided, but as you know 'HEADS UP' is not included in the archived sims, it only lets you choose between 1 and 4 players. Thats WHY i have been requesting help running a heads up sim. I have also tried using CVDATA but its a lot more complicated and not really user friendly. Once i got to the bet sizes page of cvdata i just got lost.

gronbog · Jul 4, 2018

ZenKinG said:

1 player is heads up.

BJgenius007 · Jul 4, 2018

gronbog said:

He wants to play heads up but two hands. Theoretically, you just double the EV but risk has been lowered by about 20% assuming you don't lower your bet when playing two hands. So really there is no need to run the additional simulation. Just run one person and double your EV is your answer.

psyduck · Jul 4, 2018

How can you not have positive EV playing heads up the way you described? You bet a lot more when you have the advantage. Your heads up EV is about $93 per 100 rounds (6 deck shoe). With five other players, your EV is about $115 per 100 rounds.

Tater · Jul 4, 2018

gronbog said:

You might want to take a look at View Logs. That is what I always thought. But dealer finished hand even though heads up player breaks. Probably not a big deal?

Tater · Jul 4, 2018

KewlJ said:

Excellent point K

J. I'm curious. I think I read somewhere that you prefer the kitchen table method as opposed to Verite for practice sessions. Why?

xengrifter · Jul 4, 2018

gronbog said:

Oy vey!

ZenKinG · Jul 5, 2018

gronbog said:

I thought CVCX when it said 1 player meant you and another player. Also while we're on this topic, I'm guessing when it says 'player' it means one spot correct? So if '4 players' it means 4 spots in play?

gronbog · Jul 5, 2018

That's how I understand it.

KewlJ · Jul 5, 2018

Tater said:

That is correct, Tater. I do not use software for practice. I do use it for simulations and answering numerous questions. Why? Just personal preference. I feel like dealing cards out by hand more accurately simulates a real game.

It's been a while though since I have used the kitchen table. As a matter of fact, I don't even have a kitchen table.

I do have a blackjack table purchased from the old Sahara that my brother and I use for practice several times a week, despite that we both play almost everyday. And I am pretty good at dealing and making proper payouts, so if this blackjack gig doesn't work out...I could always switch sides of the table.

ZenKinG · Jul 8, 2018

Smallcapgrowth said:

Well zen had that 1/4 per deck method that was inferior to the per deck one. Halves doesnt have that problem. Im using the indices from Casino Verite and according to Norm those are the same indices he used to spit out the CVCX archived sims. I thought about running my own indices with 'beat to death' on CVDATA but it takes way too long and ill be too paranoid that I made a mistake when configuring the sim.

Lastly, im not making any mistakes, i play pretty perfectly and am confident with my game. There's just something with heads up play when I play two hands. I havent tried the standard 1 hand when heads up, but my biggest losses over the years always came from heads up while playing 2 hands. My biggest wins also came from heads up, but ive had HUGE losses heads up. I remember losing 8k in 2 hours of play at only 2x250 multiple times. When I backcount and play with other people, that never happens. I guess the reason could be im playing a lot more positive rounds each shoe than when I play with other players, i dont know.

Dummy · Jul 8, 2018

ZenKinG said:

This is expected. You get to make many more bets for each good count when heads up. That allows the swings to go that much further whether for good or bad. Your biggest losses will always be heads up. Covariance could really be getting you. I like playing two spots for the pushed rounds but if you aren't pushing many rounds (high covariance) swings will get that much worse. Having consecutive rounds push is also desirable for smoothing things out. When consecutive rounds don't push much (high variance) swings also increase. So heads up in a count with higher variance playing two hands with high covariance will really cause large swings. You might want to play 1 hand heads up. Variance and covariance doesn't change much in BJ but they are slightly higher at higher counts for most counting systems, that is until the really high count with all the 20 vs 20 pushes. Still heads up will be very volatile per shoe compared to playing with other people just because you make so many more large bets per the same advantage shoe. It is some of the best opportunities but what makes it great also causes things to go much worse when things run bad in those big counts.

ZenKinG said:

No. The reason is when you play with others they eat big bet rounds so you make a lot fewer big bets per the same advantage shoe compared to heads up.

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