Lucky Ladies w/ different payout

[Username]

I just read the helpful analysis of the lucky ladies side bet. The payout structure used for the sim was the following:

Q hearts pair w/ dealer BJ - 1000:1
Q hearts pair - 125:1
Matched 20 - 19:1
Suited 20 - 9:1
Any 20 - 4:1

An advantage was found at TC +7 but a better SCORE/EV at TC +9

I found a game where the payout structure is the following is slightly higher than in the sim:

Q hearts pair w/ dealer BJ - 1000:1
Q hearts pair - 200:1
Matched 20 - 25:1
Suited 20 - 10:1
Any 20 - 4:1

Has anyone run a sim using these payouts at all?
Do these slightly higher payouts transfer into a meaningful drop in the TC needed for this bet to be advantageous?

For info, I am using Hi-Lo.

 

[zengrifter]

I found a game where the payout structure is the following is slightly higher than in the sim:

Q hearts pair w/ dealer BJ - 1000:1
Q hearts pair - 200:1
Matched 20 - 25:1
Suited 20 - 10:1
Any 20 - 4:1

This is the preferred game and you can enter the bet at 1 less. zg

 

[zengrifter]

Here for level-2 count at FULL-PAY LLs >>

Here it is, SIM by Professor Jacobson UCSB. zg

*******************
Lucky Ladies Report ZEN
*******************
Number of decks: 2
number of hands: 100000000
Penetration: 72 cards.
Payoff schedule:
Any 20: 4-to-1
Suited 20: 10-to-1
Matched 20: 25-to-1
QH pair: 200-to-1
QH pair + BJ: 1000-to-1
Count system:
A: -1
2: 1
3: 1
4: 2
5: 2
6: 2
7: 1
8: 0
9: 0
T: -2
QofH: -2


Lucky Lady earnings per 100 rounds (per hour): $17.6702
Wager is made 6.48534 times per 100 rounds (per hour)
Earnings per Lucky Lady $25 bet actually placed: $2.72463.
Key True count (make bet at this count or higher): 10


TC %EV FREQ
<=0 -33.68 60280508
1 -22.28 7150325
2 -20.12 6065264
3 -17.71 4382426
4 -15.6 4258219
5 -13.35 2941507
6 -11.29 3040900
7 -8.56 1603349
8 -6.98 2261436
9 -3.28 1530661

10 0.19 1155586
11 0.96 945176
12 2.96 797139
13 5.99 887449
14 10.61 517158
15 11.84 398814
16 15.8 483006
17 17.11 272720
18 20.06 136340
19 21.81 285145
20 27.96 132369

 

[zengrifter]

Professor Jacobson's special modified 10-count for FULL-PAY LLs >>

I suggest using this counting system for FPLL on Double Deck --

A-9 = +1
T-K = -2
First Q of H = -10
Second Q of H = -2

Make the wager with a TC of 11 or higher.

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For 6D, use this BALANCED count:

A-9 = +1
T-K = -2
QH = -6
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Cheers!

 

[NightStalker]

answer

I just read the helpful analysis of the lucky ladies side bet. The payout structure used for the sim was the following:

Q hearts pair w/ dealer BJ - 1000:1
Q hearts pair - 125:1
Matched 20 - 19:1
Suited 20 - 9:1
Any 20 - 4:1

An advantage was found at TC +7 but a better SCORE/EV at TC +9

I found a game where the payout structure is the following is slightly higher than in the sim:

Q hearts pair w/ dealer BJ - 1000:1
Q hearts pair - 200:1
Matched 20 - 25:1
Suited 20 - 10:1
Any 20 - 4:1

Has anyone run a sim using these payouts at all?
Do these slightly higher payouts transfer into a meaningful drop in the TC needed for this bet to be advantageous?

For info, I am using Hi-Lo.

Are you sure you find a better payout? I suspect this is for 2-deck: only 2 queens of heart, right? There is a different strategy used for this..

 

[Username]

Are you sure you find a better payout? I suspect this is for 2-deck: only 2 queens of heart, right? There is a different strategy used for this..

Yes, sorry, this is for 2 deck. So does that mean that, according to zengrifter's analysis, it requires a TC of +10 for a DD game...even with the higher payout?

 

[zengrifter]

Yes, sorry, this is for 2 deck. So does that mean that, according to zengrifter's analysis, it requires a TC of +10 for a DD game...even with the higher payout?

Yes, but you must keep track of the QHs. (ZEN +10 = Hilo +6) zg

 

[Ferretnparrot]

The more decks in play, the lower the count needed to break even EV for this bet.

TCs of 6 and 7 apply to 8 deck games for breaking even