Singapore Casino

  • chichow

    Singapore Casino

    Delayed.

    Probably not till Chinese New Year in 2010

  • Gramazeka

     

    Quote: chichow said:
    Delayed.

    Probably not till Chinese New Year in 2010

    Singapore to bar over 28,000 people from casinos 10:52, December 17, 2009
    Singapore’s National Council on Problem Gambling will send letters to over 28,000 people in Singapore, barring them from the two upcoming casinos, local media reported on Wednesday.

    The majority are undischarged bankrupts while the rest are recipients of public financial assistance, local TV broadcaster Channel NewsAsia said.

    The report said that Singapore is the first country in the world to automatically bar such cases from the gaming tables. The council said the exclusion orders are meant to protect those in a financially precarious situation.

    The orders were issued by the council, but it is the casinos who will have to enforce the rule and if they don’t, they may lose its license or be fined up to 1 million Singapore dollars (about 0.7 million U.S. dollars).

    Both casinos said they are working closely with the Casino Regulatory Authority to ensure no one slips through. Marina Bay Sands said checks will be made at the door when customers pay entry fees.

    Problem gamblers may also seek to exclude themselves from the casinos and in the one month since applications were opened, 56 have done so. Applications may also be made by family members, and so far, 19 exclusion orders have been issued.

    Singapore’s two casinos at the two Integrated Resorts, Marina Bay Sands and Resorts World Sentosa, will begin operations next year.

    Source: Xinhua

  • Katweezel

     

    Quote: Gramazeka said:
    Singapore to bar over 28,000 people from casinos 10:52, December 17, 2009
    Singapore’s National Council on Problem Gambling will send letters to over 28,000 people in Singapore, barring them from the two upcoming casinos, local media reported on Wednesday.

    The majority are undischarged bankrupts while the rest are recipients of public financial assistance, local TV broadcaster Channel NewsAsia said.

    The report said that Singapore is the first country in the world to automatically bar such cases from the gaming tables. The council said the exclusion orders are meant to protect those in a financially precarious situation.

    The orders were issued by the council, but it is the casinos who will have to enforce the rule and if they don’t, they may lose its license or be fined up to 1 million Singapore dollars (about 0.7 million U.S. dollars).

    Both casinos said they are working closely with the Casino Regulatory Authority to ensure no one slips through. Marina Bay Sands said checks will be made at the door when customers pay entry fees.

    Problem gamblers may also seek to exclude themselves from the casinos and in the one month since applications were opened, 56 have done so. Applications may also be made by family members, and so far, 19 exclusion orders have been issued.

    Singapore’s two casinos at the two Integrated Resorts, Marina Bay Sands and Resorts World Sentosa, will begin operations next year.

    Source: Xinhua

    Thanks Gz. Do these two soon-to-open casinos have different owners? What is the population of Singapore? Did the general public vote for them?

  • popcorn

    Singapore casino

    What are the blackjack conditions like?

  • chichow

     

    Supposedly will be open Sat before Chinese New Year now.

  • Gramazeka

    Only CSM

    It is confirmed that singapore casino uses CSM, off the top is a minus game.So no chance.

  • chessplayer

     

    Admittence to blackjack.

    Hi, I guess some1 here has already been to the blackj tables.

    I am wondering however whether Singapore allows free access to blackjack. For instance, in Genting Malaysia, only those with silver cards, or those who have clocked quite a number of hours, are allowed into the international room. And only the international room has blackj.

  • soccerguy59

    BlackJack Tables

    There are tables available to everyone on Level 1. Opening weekend had $10, $20 and $50 tables, they now have only $50 and $100 tables. Even with this they are crowded and lots of players tagging along on your bets, this must be an Asian thing, I am American living in Singapore.

  • chessplayer

     

    I WENT THERE MYSELF. yUP, ALL CSM.

  • StudiodeKadent

     

    Quote: soccerguy59 said:
    There are tables available to everyone on Level 1. Opening weekend had $10, $20 and $50 tables, they now have only $50 and $100 tables. Even with this they are crowded and lots of players tagging along on your bets, this must be an Asian thing, I am American living in Singapore.

    Thanks for the info. Singapore Dollars 10, 20 and 50 are reasonable table limits.

    What are the rules?

    And yeah, Asian casinos are pretty much all CSM these days. This is bad for advantage players (obviously), but the house edges on the BJ tend to be lower… Macau’s average HE is 0.16% even on low-roller tables, with the Wynn and MGM Grand being even lower at 0.1%. Also, last time I was there, Wynn used a discard tray of 1 deck, so you do get some slight fluctation in the true count. Although I heard they got rid of that a while ago, they might have brought it back though.

    But yeah, what are the BJ rules in Singapore?

  • chessplayer

     

    I tell ya the rules you tell me the bj edge.

    DAS. Split only 2 x. Dealer stays on soft 17. Double on 9, 10, 11. Early surrender . ENHC. However , with dealer’s upcard ACE no Surrender.

    And singaporeans need to pay SGD100 to enter.

    Quote: StudiodeKadent said:
    Thanks for the info. Singapore Dollars 10, 20 and 50 are reasonable table limits.

    What are the rules?

    And yeah, Asian casinos are pretty much all CSM these days. This is bad for advantage players (obviously), but the house edges on the BJ tend to be lower… Macau’s average HE is 0.16% even on low-roller tables, with the Wynn and MGM Grand being even lower at 0.1%. Also, last time I was there, Wynn used a discard tray of 1 deck, so you do get some slight fluctation in the true count. Although I heard they got rid of that a while ago, they might have brought it back though.

    But yeah, what are the BJ rules in Singapore?

  • StudiodeKadent

     

    Quote: chessplayer said:
    I tell ya the rules you tell me the bj edge.

    DAS. Split only 2 x. Dealer stays on soft 17. Double on 9, 10, 11. Early surrender . ENHC. However , with dealer’s upcard ACE no Surrender.

    And singaporeans need to pay SGD100 to enter.

    What is the number of decks? For the purposes of this, I’ll assume its six. Also, can the player double after a split? For the purposes of this analysis, I’ll assume they can. Also, I assume you only get one card on split aces?

    Also, is this Resorts World Sentosa or Sands?

    So, rules are 6d, S17, SplitOnce, One card only on split aces, DAS, D9-11, ES10, ENHC.

    Before taking ES10 into account, the house edge is a massive 0.67% (TERRIBLE!!!!)

    Subtracting 0.24% for the ES10 (I should add, this is the advantage of ES10 relative to NO SURRENDER, against LS the advantage from ES10 is 0.16%), the house edge is 0.43%

    Okay, given my assumptions (6 deck, DAS, 1 card on split aces) the house edge is 0.43%

    This is VERY inferior to Macau. It IS, however, better than anything in Australia… although I think Crown’s Mahogany Room has roughly the same house edge.

    Overall conclusion; under these rules, with a CSM, go to Macau instead.

  • chessplayer

     

    It is split twice and 4 ecks. Further, ES on 9 .

    it is resorts. sands is not up now.

    Quote: StudiodeKadent said:
    What is the number of decks? For the purposes of this, I’ll assume its six. Also, can the player double after a split? For the purposes of this analysis, I’ll assume they can. Also, I assume you only get one card on split aces?

    Also, is this Resorts World Sentosa or Sands?

    So, rules are 6d, S17, SplitOnce, One card only on split aces, DAS, D9-11, ES10, ENHC.

    Before taking ES10 into account, the house edge is a massive 0.67% (TERRIBLE!!!!)

    Subtracting 0.24% for the ES10 (I should add, this is the advantage of ES10 relative to NO SURRENDER, against LS the advantage from ES10 is 0.16%), the house edge is 0.43%

    Okay, given my assumptions (6 deck, DAS, 1 card on split aces) the house edge is 0.43%

    This is VERY inferior to Macau. It IS, however, better than anything in Australia… although I think Crown’s Mahogany Room has roughly the same house edge.

    Overall conclusion; under these rules, with a CSM, go to Macau instead.

  • Pro21

     

    Chessplayer – is there a cash back program? And can Caucasians get it or only Asians?

  • StudiodeKadent

     

    Quote: chessplayer said:
    It is split twice and 4 ecks. Further, ES on 9 .

    it is resorts. sands is not up now.

    By “split twice” you mean if its a pair of non-aces, you can form up to three hands?

    I assumed ES on 9 (like Macau), so that was taken into account. When I say ES10 I mean ES on anything that isn’t an ace.

    OK, so assuming you can split to three hands total, except on aces…

    4deck S17 DAS ES10 ENHC D9-11 Split3 NRSA

    House edge before Early Surrender is taken into account = 0.57%

    Subtract 0.24% for ES10

    Total house edge = 0.33%

    This is actually a pretty good game. Not as good as Macau (about twice as bad as the average Macau game) but much better than Australia and slightly better (in house edge terms) than the standard low-roller game on the Las Vegas Strip.

    Thanks for the info! By the way, do they put the cards back into the machine after every hand? Or do they have a discard tray that’s 1 deck high which they fill before placing back into the machine?

  • chessplayer

     

    I have gotten answers regarding house edge ranging from 0.31 to0.4 sothis should be about there.

    However they put the cards back every round and before every round begins wash 1 card.

    Quote: StudiodeKadent said:
    By ” 4deck S17 DAS ES10 ENHC D9-11 Split3 NRSA

    House edge before Early Surrender is taken into account = 0.57%

    Subtract 0.24% for ES10

    Total house edge = 0.33%
    Thanks for the info! By the way, do they put the cards back into the machine after every hand? Or do they have a discard tray that’s 1 deck high which they fill before placing back into the machine?

  • chessplayer

     

    If by cash back you mean rewards by playing, I have heard it is bad as compared to Genting. Only seated players can get points, whereas in genting you get pts as a wonger provided you bet about the same amount.

    http://www.genting.com.my

    I compare it to genting because it is one of the only 7or so casinos I have been to, and their rewards point are usable at either place.

    Quote: Pro21 said:
    Chessplayer – is there a cash back program? And can Caucasians get it or only Asians?
  • popcorn

    all CSM??

    What about the new Marina Bay_

  • Mr. T

    Singaporean pay $100 levy but get free cruise

    With your levy receipt you get a free 2N3D Wednesday cruise on Star Cruises Virgo if you go to pay the levy at sister company Resort World Sentosa.
    No gambling at RWS is required but you need to be an existing Star Cruises silver member.

  • Mr. T

    Are there any Attorney/Lawyer out there

    Refering to the Benefit from Resort World Sentosa sister company Star Cruises as posted above it would appear that RWS is infringing on the Singapore Law. This is the actual wording of the Law.

    Quote:
    Prohibited transactions in relation to entry levy
    6. Without prejudice to the generality of section 116(3) of the Act,
    an indirect refund, remission or reimbursement of entry levy by a casino
    operator to a resident shall include —
    (a) the giving of any right, privilege, discount or benefit to the
    resident (in addition to entry to the casino premises) by the
    casino operator or by any other person under an arrangement
    with the casino operator, in exchange for payment of the entry
    levy;

    The wording is so broad that it would cover such prohibited benefit. Or do you see a loophole here in the Law.

  • Elhombre

    what brand of CSM, 1-2-6?

    Quote: chessplayer said:
    I WENT THERE MYSELF. yUP, ALL CSM.

    chessplayer what brand of CSM do they use, I guess One2six.

    regards E.H.

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