Putting non-APs to use

  • Most Interesting Man

    Putting non-APs to use

    If you were to be at a store with one or two others that had no AP skills not even BS how would you put them to use? No skills but high trust and they can follow directions.

    Would you have them scout slots? Distract the pit? Cash chips?

  • FrankieT

     

    I’d utilize an attractive woman in a number of ways, but smart, attractive women are generally hard to come by. It’s not like they need an excess amount of intelligence to make a living.

    Most likely i’d use an attractive women to bet for me while I spot his HC. In guessing why she bets so much and makes ridiculous plays, the pit would assume she’s just a frivolous airhead with a rich boyfriend.

  • Automatic Monkey

    Wonging support / baccarat sidebets

    Without at least BS and/or experience at using play signals at the table, I wouldn’t put somebody in a blackjack game. Too stressful for you and them.

    But if they have good acting skills, you can use them to improve your Wong act and help get a spread down. A girl can start complaining on your signal, getting you to miss as many and as few hands as you want, even mid-shoe, and you just act like the compulsive gambler who alternates between leaving the game to argue with her and going back to the game to get away from her. If these are male friends, you can use a drunk frat-boy act to get you into games without suspicion, and dare you to increase your bet.

    If you want to get them physically into a game, some (most?) baccarat sidebets are beatable. The biggest problem with baccarat is you are limited to one hand, a relatively low max on the sidebets and extreme slowness due to the demographic that plays baccarat. But baccarat requires no skill- you can just get your friend(s) in the seats, tell them to bet min on the player and banker in opposition (to keep variance down on your -EV hands) and put the table max on the sidebet on your signal. At the very least, it will speed up the game and increase your win rate, and if you are supplying all the bankroll you don’t have to give them an equal share, even though each seat won’t have equal EV.

  • yesiamred

     

    [QUOTE=FrankieT;247974]I’d utilize an attractive woman in a number of ways, but smart, attractive women are generally hard to come by. It’s not like they need an excess amount of intelligence to make a living.

    EXCUSE ME Obviously you are an idiot and have no idea what you are talking about…

  • creeping panther

    Wizard

    Quote: yesiamred said:
    [QUOTE=FrankieT;247974]I’d utilize an attractive woman in a number of ways, but smart, attractive women are generally hard to come by. It’s not like they need an excess amount of intelligence to make a living.

    EXCUSE ME Obviously you are an idiot and have no idea what you are talking about…

    Red is smart, hot and attractive, and she rides a Harley,,,what more is there

    Wizard, you need to be a gentleman and apologize to Red and all other female posters.

    CP

  • blackriver

     

    That’s not sexist, just a subset of the bigger truth. You don’t need much brains in general, esp good looking people

  • FrankieT

     

    Quote: blackriver said:
    That’s not sexist, just a subset of the bigger truth. You don’t need much brains in general, esp good looking people

    Well it goes WAY more for women than for men. Ask yourself why you see a LOT more female hookers and strippers. Women have the genetic celebrity status.

    Males are way more likely to be homeless and have health problems because they don’t have the support system that is the vagina. Having a vagina in western countries is a pretty good social safety net.

  • Most Interesting Man

     

    You folks hijacked this thread faster than a terrorist can hijack a plane.

  • zengrifter

     

    Quote: Most Interesting Man said:
    If you were to be at a store with one or two others that had no AP skills not even BS how would you put them to use? No skills but high trust and they can follow directions.

    Would you have them scout slots? Distract the pit? Cash chips?

    Gorrilla BPs. zg

  • Machinist

     

    Quote: zengrifter said:
    Gorrilla BPs. zg

    What ZG says…..X2
    Hey men…….. lets be easy on the women …..geeze…..

    Machinist

  • Automatic Monkey

     

    Quote: zengrifter said:
    Gorrilla BPs. zg

    I suppose that works if they look like gorillas.

  • tthree

     

    Quote: Machinist said:
    What ZG says…..X2
    Hey men…….. lets be easy on the women …..geeze…..

    Machinist

    Women tend to be very intelligent. The fact that many can’t see through the helpless babe act should tell you who is smarter. I have a hard time finding people educated enough to have a good discussion on cutting edge science. Most people can’t understand such things. I find more women able to hold up their end of such discussions than men in a casual atmosphere. A lot of guys like to act like they know a thing or two but this is usually an act. Women tend to be happy in their knowledge and not trying to impress people. I can tell you these humble intellects know a lot more than their outspoken male counterparts. This is simply anecdotal but is my experience here on the East Coast.

  • Automatic Monkey

     

    Quote: tthree said:
    Women tend to be very intelligent. The fact that many can’t see through the helpless babe act should tell you who is smarter. I have a hard time finding people educated enough to have a good discussion on cutting edge science. Most people can’t understand such things. I find more women able to hold up their end of such discussions than men in a casual atmosphere. A lot of guys like to act like they know a thing or two but this is usually an act. Women tend to be happy in their knowledge and not trying to impress people. I can tell you these humble intellects know a lot more than their outspoken male counterparts. This is simply anecdotal but is my experience here on the East Coast.

    Sure, they are very intelligent, but on the average more so in the subjective ways than analytically. Boys and girls really are different, no shame in that. Women are good poker players and have the psychological skills to be much better than any guy. I wouldn’t want to play poker against someone who can spot a bluff as easily as she can spot a fake designer label or a married guy with his ring off!

    Lady AP’s should understand that this is male territory they have entered, and male AP’s tend to being coarse, aggressive guys who ply our trade in a vulgar environment. You don’t want to be like the female reporter in the men’s locker room- “OK guys, I’m in here now, so you have to cover yourselves up, and no more dirty talk!” That doesn’t fly.

  • flyingwind

     

    They can spot married men who take their ring off?

  • Automatic Monkey

     

    Quote: flyingwind said:
    They can spot married men who take their ring off?

    Yes. Actually not a problem, being enough of them prefer it that way.

    I once witnessed a situation where a girl picked up a married guy, and wore his wedding band as her toe ring all weekend.

  • yesiamred

     

    Quote: Automatic Monkey said:

    Lady AP’s should understand that this is male territory they have entered, and male AP’s tend to being coarse, aggressive guys who ply our trade in a vulgar environment. You don’t want to be like the female reporter in the men’s locker room- “OK guys, I’m in here now, so you have to cover yourselves up, and no more dirty talk!” That doesn’t fly.

    For starters, I can be just as vulgar as you guys but I prefer to act like a lady.
    I do understand that it’s a male dominant society as I have spent my whole adult life trying to compete in a non-traditional female field of electronics. I guess I have just exhausted myself of having to compete with male engineers and technicians who offer no respect even when you are more competent, intellectual and knowledgeable than they.

    Therefore, I should have known that the game of blackjack, which is also male dominant, that I should have to prove myself once again…but that’s okay…all I can say is “bring it on” see you at the tables, and oh, I will be the cute redheaded gal with all the chips in front of her…touché

  • zengrifter

     

    Quote: Machinist said:
    What ZG says…..X2

    Or an attractive female for distraction, intelligence not required…
    After all, women naturally posses the innate intelligence of nature and the universe…
    …no matter how dumb they are (or aren’t)! zg

  • Automatic Monkey

     

    Quote: yesiamred said:
    For starters, I can be just as vulgar as you guys but I prefer to act like a lady.
    I do understand that it’s a male dominant society as I have spent my whole adult life trying to compete in a non-traditional female field of electronics. I guess I have just exhausted myself of having to compete with male engineers and technicians who offer no respect even when you are more competent, intellectual and knowledgeable than they.

    Therefore, I should have known that the game of blackjack, which is also male dominant, that I should have to prove myself once again…but that’s okay…all I can say is “bring it on” see you at the tables, and oh, I will be the cute redheaded gal with all the chips in front of her…touché

    Your feelings are understandable. And the situation is unavoidable.

    But realize you do not have to prove yourself to anyone. Nobody here does, not unless we are sharing bankroll or results. So it really doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks, right?

  • FrankieT

     

    Quote: yesiamred said:
    For starters, I can be just as vulgar as you guys but I prefer to act like a lady.
    I do understand that it’s a male dominant society as I have spent my whole adult life trying to compete in a non-traditional female field of electronics. I guess I have just exhausted myself of having to compete with male engineers and technicians who offer no respect even when you are more competent, intellectual and knowledgeable than they.

    Therefore, I should have known that the game of blackjack, which is also male dominant, that I should have to prove myself once again…but that’s okay…all I can say is “bring it on” see you at the tables, and oh, I will be the cute redheaded gal with all the chips in front of her…touché

    Don’t let the general belief on female math skills bring you down. Use it to your advantage.

    If you become an AP player YOU WILL HAVE A PHENOMENAL AMOUNT OF LASTING POWER AT CASINOS. I would love to work with you in fact.

    Male pit bosses, even if they could see you were a very intelligent bettor, would probably feel like a bully.

  • psyduck

     

    The reason for the traditional belief that men are smarter is because in the old days more men had access to education than women. Now more college graduates are women. When my daughter was in high school, most of the top kids were girls.

    The fact that some men easily lose their mind the moment they see an attractive girl is enough to say some of the men are not as smart as they think!

  • Automatic Monkey

     

    Quote: psyduck said:
    The reason for the traditional belief that men are smarter is because in the old days more men had access to education than women. Now more college graduates are women. When my daughter was in high school, most of the top kids were girls.

    I think there are real differences in the way our minds work. The celerity, aggression, and objectivity as mental skills associated with blackjack AP are statistically more common in men than women. But if an individual female has those skills those statistics don’t apply to her, so she has nothing to worry about. She may be a freak, but so are male AP’s. Every one of us is abnormal in some way.

    The Chess vs. Go paradox- the top-rated female chess players in the world would be mediocre players among men. Despite being non-physical, there are separate competitions for men and women. The game of go is at least as demanding and many would say more so, but men and women are equal as go players. Even more astoundingly, go is played mostly by Asians where there are still a lot of traditional social barriers which restrain females. What the heck is going on here? The mental skills for chess are completely non-transferable to go, so understanding why this is would explain a lot.

  • Gamblor

     

    Quote: Automatic Monkey said:
    I think there are real differences in the way our minds work. The celerity, aggression, and objectivity as mental skills associated with blackjack AP are statistically more common in men than women. But if an individual female has those skills those statistics don’t apply to her, so she has nothing to worry about. She may be a freak, but so are male AP’s. Every one of us is abnormal in some way.

    The Chess vs. Go paradox- the top-rated female chess players in the world would be mediocre players among men. Despite being non-physical, there are separate competitions for men and women. The game of go is at least as demanding and many would say more so, but men and women are equal as go players. Even more astoundingly, go is played mostly by Asians where there are still a lot of traditional social barriers which restrain females. What the heck is going on here? The mental skills for chess are completely non-transferable to go, so understanding why this is would explain a lot.

    “There is no female Mozart because there is no female Jack the Ripper.” – Camille Paglia

  • FrankieT

     

    Quote: psyduck said:
    The reason for the traditional belief that men are smarter is because in the old days more men had access to education than women. Now more college graduates are women. When my daughter was in high school, most of the top kids were girls.

    The fact that some men easily lose their mind the moment they see an attractive girl is enough to say some of the men are not as smart as they think!

    Read this book, enough said:

    “Myth of Male Power” – Warren Farrell

    http://www.warrenfarrell.org/styled-2/summary.html

  • bronco60

     

    Quote: Automatic Monkey said:
    Sure, they are very intelligent, but on the average more so in the subjective ways than analytically. Boys and girls really are different, no shame in that. Women are good poker players and have the psychological skills to be much better than any guy. I wouldn’t want to play poker against someone who can spot a bluff as easily as she can spot a fake designer label or a married guy with his ring off!

    Lady AP’s should understand that this is male territory they have entered, and male AP’s tend to being coarse, aggressive guys who ply our trade in a vulgar environment. You don’t want to be like the female reporter in the men’s locker room- “OK guys, I’m in here now, so you have to cover yourselves up, and no more dirty talk!” That doesn’t fly.

    That description might be true for poker playing APs, but I’m not sure about the rest. In fact, the old stereotype card counter used to be a white dude with horn rimmed glasses and a countenance that suggested he had a stick up his ass. In fact, we had a name for those guys (you could use them as unwitting spotters): P-5s, for Pocket Protector and Pale Penis Persons. Not particularly coarse, though often socially inept.

    Again, just stereotypes. Ken Huston didn’t match any of the above, nor does Anthony Curtis.

  • ycming

     

    Quote: Automatic Monkey said:
    Without at least BS and/or experience at using play signals at the table, I wouldn’t put somebody in a blackjack game. Too stressful for you and them.

    But if they have good acting skills, you can use them to improve your Wong act and help get a spread down. A girl can start complaining on your signal, getting you to miss as many and as few hands as you want, even mid-shoe, and you just act like the compulsive gambler who alternates between leaving the game to argue with her and going back to the game to get away from her. If these are male friends, you can use a drunk frat-boy act to get you into games without suspicion, and dare you to increase your bet.

    If you want to get them physically into a game, some (most?) baccarat sidebets are beatable. The biggest problem with baccarat is you are limited to one hand, a relatively low max on the sidebets and extreme slowness due to the demographic that plays baccarat. But baccarat requires no skill- you can just get your friend(s) in the seats, tell them to bet min on the player and banker in opposition (to keep variance down on your -EV hands) and put the table max on the sidebet on your signal. At the very least, it will speed up the game and increase your win rate, and if you are supplying all the bankroll you don’t have to give them an equal share, even though each seat won’t have equal EV.

    Could you explain which baccarat’s sidebet could be beaten ? Pm if too sensitive?

    Thanks
    Ming

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