Steering opportunities?

  • blacksheep

    Steering opportunities?

    Are there any consistent steering opportunities out there anymore? Or has this strategy been effectively shut down? I’ve practiced the techniques a bit just for the hell of it but have never come across a situation where I could put them to use. Not yet at least.

    I quess you can reply via pm if this is a sensitive topic (I haven’t seen much info on it here) as I’ve passed the 10 post minimum.

  • Richard Munchkin

     

    This is not something to post about on an open forum.

  • blacksheep

     

    Ok, so how about a pm then? Anybody?

  • Johnny21

     

    Quote: Richard Munchkin said:
    This is not something to post about on an open forum.

    Why is that? The strategy has already been published twice (first in Busting Vegas and then in John May’s book Get the Edge at Blackjack). What’s the point trying to keep a secret if it’s not a secret anymore.

  • Blue Efficacy

     

    Quote: Johnny21 said:
    Why is that? The strategy has already been published twice (first in Busting Vegas and then in John May’s book Get the Edge at Blackjack). What’s the point trying to keep a secret if it’s not a secret anymore.

    There are secrets worth keeping and there are secrets kept for the sake of feeling important.

    You don’t know which it is until you know the secret!

  • ningtong88

     

    Quote: Blue Efficacy said:
    There are secrets worth keeping and there are secrets kept for the sake of feeling important.

    You don’t know which it is until you know the secret!

    Or a better way to put it is nobody knows the secret, at least on this board.

  • Sonny

     

    Quote: Johnny21 said:
    The strategy has already been published twice (first in Busting Vegas and then in John May’s book Get the Edge at Blackjack).

    Quote: Johnny21 said:
    What’s the point trying to keep a secret if it’s not a secret anymore.

    It is a secret. That’s why the opportunities still exist.

    -Sonny-

  • ringlejames

     

    Its about finding a steerable shuffle and placing the cut card in the right spot everytime.

    Also to the OP. There were opportunities everywhere when you were playing. You just didn’t know when to apply them or how to apply them.

    Let me let you in on THE SECRET. Its all about practice. And I aint talkin about the huh half hour before bed time practice. I am talking about full on I been practicing for days, hours a day.

    Ask yourself a question. Which groups of cards do u want to be grouped together? 10’s and aces I hope. How many hands a round should I play to achieve ultimate penetration to allow optimal deck reading power.? So I combine, say if it was a single deck game, the first 1/4 deck and the 3rd quarter deck. Where do I need to cut it at after the shuffle. Duh half way every time if you do it right.

    Its not just about steering the cards to your favor. Its having the complete knowledge of the skill you are trying to employ and actually do something with it. Not going into a casino till you can empty there chip rack.

    Just like someone watching 21 and understanding the theory of counting is not anywhere near doing something with it.

    You need to be able to at the drop of a hat be able to tell everything about steering.

    But really the first question should have been is it a hand shuffled game? Well it better be or you just spent no time studying and wanted to play like the average gambler.
    Which groups of cards are you steering? The tens for more 20’s and blackjacks I hope.
    Does the top half of the deck after shuffle and cut card placement add up to -6 to -8 or more? I hope so. (if it is single deck, of course the number will go up for each deck added)

    Are you counting every quarter deck if your playing single deck or dd? Or keeping half deck counts on multi deck games to steer the cards to your advantage?

    Are your bets each round based on average negative tc for each round. I say negative because you are supposed to be steering the tens and aces played in each quarter deck. Those are the good cards for once. A high amount of negative cards off of the first half of the deck is awesome for someone that steers.

    Sorry I have been off the past few days guys. My illness was really bad there for a while and the whiskey didn’t help none here on the forum. Although it did ease some of the pain.

    Still no excuse for rudeness and just plain old ploppyness. even if I am dying.

    The gordon count thing was crazy I couldn’t believe I got that mixed up with side counting every card.One of the first things I learned about blackjack was the gordon counts tag values until I noticed it was actually the hardest system to learn. I was wondering why I wasn’t winning here at the home stead. Just now coming off of my 4 day binder. Again I apologize for my lack of respect and just plain rudeness

    THE ABOVE EXAMPLE WOULD BE OF MY TOWNS STANDARD HOUSE SHUFFLE.

  • ringlejames

     

    Quote: Sonny said:

    It is a secret. That’s why the opportunities still exist.

    -Sonny-

    Not anymore.

    21ST POST. Dont know if that is good luck or bad luck on the lines that I just defied a moderator with such outstanding credentials

  • psyduck

     

    Quote: ringlejames said:
    Its about finding a steerable shuffle and placing the cut card in the right spot everytime.

    Also to the OP. There were opportunities everywhere when you were playing. You just didn’t know when to apply them or how to apply them.

    Let me let you in on THE SECRET. Its all about practice. And I aint talkin about the huh half hour before bed time practice. I am talking about full on I been practicing for days, hours a day.

    Ask yourself a question. Which groups of cards do u want to be grouped together? 10’s and aces I hope. How many hands a round should I play to achieve ultimate penetration to allow optimal deck reading power.? So I combine, say if it was a single deck game, the first 1/4 deck and the 3rd quarter deck. Where do I need to cut it at after the shuffle. Duh half way every time if you do it right.

    Its not just about steering the cards to your favor. Its having the complete knowledge of the skill you are trying to employ and actually do something with it. Not going into a casino till you can empty there chip rack.

    Just like someone watching 21 and understanding the theory of counting is not anywhere near doing something with it.

    You need to be able to at the drop of a hat be able to tell everything about steering.

    But really the first question should have been is it a hand shuffled game? Well it better be or you just spent no time studying and wanted to play like the average gambler.
    Which groups of cards are you steering? The tens for more 20’s and blackjacks I hope.
    Does the top half of the deck after shuffle and cut card placement add up to -6 to -8 or more? I hope so. (if it is single deck, of course the number will go up for each deck added)

    Are you counting every quarter deck if your playing single deck or dd? Or keeping half deck counts on multi deck games to steer the cards to your advantage?

    Are your bets each round based on average negative tc for each round. I say negative because you are supposed to be steering the tens and aces played in each quarter deck. Those are the good cards for once. A high amount of negative cards off of the first half of the deck is awesome for someone that steers.

    Sorry I have been off the past few days guys. My illness was really bad there for a while and the whiskey didn’t help none here on the forum. Although it did ease some of the pain.

    Still no excuse for rudeness and just plain old ploppyness. even if I am dying.

    The gordon count thing was crazy I couldn’t believe I got that mixed up with side counting every card.One of the first things I learned about blackjack was the gordon counts tag values until I noticed it was actually the hardest system to learn. I was wondering why I wasn’t winning here at the home stead. Just now coming off of my 4 day binder. Again I apologize for my lack of respect and just plain rudeness

    THE ABOVE EXAMPLE WOULD BE OF MY TOWNS STANDARD HOUSE SHUFFLE.

    Which do you steer better: cars or cards?

  • ringlejames

     

    Quote: psyduck said:
    Which do you steer better: cars or cards?

    It depends if I am drunk or not. Both pretty well if I am not drinking. And good at steering if I have had a good sativa blend in me. However you wont ever have more fun mud riding with me when I am drunk than when I am sober.

    Love the signature btw. Been a few times first starting out that I actually dry heaved at the table from not eating for three days. And I swear they put something in your drink to stop up the plumbing. Not to mention the coffee I always get comes from the back. Talk about caffeine. Give you the shakes after just one cup.

  • Sonny

     

    Quote: ringlejames said:
    21ST POST. Dont know if that is good luck or bad luck on the lines that I just defied a moderator with such outstanding credentials

    Don’t worry, your post did not divulge any secrets at all. In fact, most of it will just mislead any casino employees who read it.

    -Sonny-

  • ringlejames

     

    Quote: Sonny said:
    Don’t worry, your post did not divulge any secrets at all. In fact, most of it will just mislead any casino employees who read it.

    -Sonny-

    Uh-oh. Do we have a blackjack disinformation agent in our midst? On a blackjack forum. I thought those were exclusive to just abovetopsecret forums, and people who want to smear Ron Pauls electability.

    Looks like Im going to have to make a youtube video showing how it is done. And proving that I do have a pretty good explanation of it down. Before I die I might just want to show everybody of all the blackjack advantage play skills counting is the hardest of them all to learn. But there are no movies about shuffle tracking, steering 10’s. Or aces. OR SHUFFLE TRACKING, and wat not. Which most do got right most just dont understand that just that 1 extra ace every other deck does so much. Or that steer 4 aces out of every ten attempts is really gold actually. And that just because they dont get it every single time does not mean it is not working and they should just give up.

    I am a logical person. And to see how many people come on here looking for real ways to win and all they get is a, hi how you doin 2-6 is +1, 10-ace is -1, while 7, 8, and 9 are neutral dont count them. Then just talk about other ways to win without divulging the information on how to do it. I may be crazy but I know when I am right. Like I said logical.

  • zengrifter

     

    Quote: Richard Munchkin said:
    This is not something to post about on an open forum.

    Its fine, we have already discussed ad naueseum the Simeon ten-steer method. zg

  • ringlejames

     

    I would be more than happy to take it down. All I need is a private p.m. apologizing for the unwarranted smear campaign. Trying to discredit hard work. With no proof that it does not work. Well if I dont receive the p.m. the video will get posted. thank you.

  • Sonny

     

    Actually, I really want to see this video. I’ll bet it’s even better than that video showing how to use the jstat count for baccarat.

    -Sonny-

  • ringlejames

     

    Don’t even compare me to that fraud. lol JSTAT.

    It is simple very simple to steer tens. Single deck game. Worst rules possible other than shuffle every round. Play a deck as many hands a round as you can to get as deep in the deck as you can. Lets say the first 13 card I had 3 + value cards, 7 negative valued cards and 3 neutral cards. The count is -4 so far. The next 13 cards in the deck, cards 14-26 are of no consequence because for it to be of consequence you would have to know what the value of the last 13 cards or should I say the last quarter deck of a single deck game.

    To continue and give summary we have a 1st quarter deck count of -4. Now lets skip to the 3rd quarter deck, or should I say cards 27-39. This portion of the deck we only get too see say 36 cards. The cards are 2 valued as + 6 valued as negative and 2 are neutral with no value. at all. Giving the cards 1-13 and 26-36 a value of -8.

    With my towns standard house shuffle, cards 1-13 and 26-36 will be shuffled together. Givin that you place the cut card in the middle of the deck and the dealer was skilled at shuffling correctly, after shuffle the top half deck count should be at between -6 to as high as -10. Factoring in any mistakes the dealer made to his advantage or yours. Meaning there are 6-10 more 10-aces in the half of the deck that will be played than the half deck that wont be played. Giving you a guaranteed top deck true count of plus six to plus ten. The plays would be obvious even if they go against basic strategy. You will always want to split your tens, double any ace hand no matter what basic strategy says. The advantage would be all you.

    You may have to play some before this opportunity arises, but well worth the hours of practice. And I mean hours of practice. Not just reading this and say oh that seems easy. No like I said and understanding of something is not having the ability of carrying it out.

  • jaygruden

     

    Quote: ringlejames said:
    I would be more than happy to take it down. All I need is a private p.m. apologizing for the unwarranted smear campaign. Trying to discredit hard work. With no proof that it does not work. Well if I dont receive the p.m. the video will get posted. thank you.

    Can we make a trade with the Zenzone? Maybe we can get A.M. back from there

  • zengrifter

     

    Quote: ringlejames said:
    Don’t even compare me to that fraud. lol JSTAT.

    It is simple very simple to steer tens. Single deck game. Worst rules possible other than shuffle every round. Play a deck as many hands a round as you can to get as deep in the deck as you can. Lets say the first 13 card I had 3 + value cards, 7 negative valued cards and 3 neutral cards. The count is -4 so far. The next 13 cards in the deck, cards 14-26 are of no consequence because for it to be of consequence you would have to know what the value of the last 13 cards or should I say the last quarter deck of a single deck game.

    To continue and give summary we have a 1st quarter deck count of -4. Now lets skip to the 3rd quarter deck, or should I say cards 27-39. This portion of the deck we only get too see say 36 cards. The cards are 2 valued as + 6 valued as negative and 2 are neutral with no value. at all. Giving the cards 1-13 and 26-36 a value of -8.

    With my towns standard house shuffle, cards 1-13 and 26-36 will be shuffled together. Givin that you place the cut card in the middle of the deck and the dealer was skilled at shuffling correctly, after shuffle the top half deck count should be at between -6 to as high as -10. Factoring in any mistakes the dealer made to his advantage or yours. Meaning there are 6-10 more 10-aces in the half of the deck that will be played than the half deck that wont be played. Giving you a guaranteed top deck true count of plus six to plus ten. The plays would be obvious even if they go against basic strategy. You will always want to split your tens, double any ace hand no matter what basic strategy says. The advantage would be all you. .

    That is NOT “steering”. zg

  • Southpaw

     

    Quote: ringlejames said:
    Its about finding a steerable shuffle and placing the cut card in the right spot everytime.

    Also to the OP. There were opportunities everywhere when you were playing. You just didn’t know when to apply them or how to apply them.

    Let me let you in on THE SECRET. Its all about practice. And I aint talkin about the huh half hour before bed time practice. I am talking about full on I been practicing for days, hours a day.

    Ask yourself a question. Which groups of cards do u want to be grouped together? 10’s and aces I hope. How many hands a round should I play to achieve ultimate penetration to allow optimal deck reading power.? So I combine, say if it was a single deck game, the first 1/4 deck and the 3rd quarter deck. Where do I need to cut it at after the shuffle. Duh half way every time if you do it right.

    Its not just about steering the cards to your favor. Its having the complete knowledge of the skill you are trying to employ and actually do something with it. Not going into a casino till you can empty there chip rack.

    Just like someone watching 21 and understanding the theory of counting is not anywhere near doing something with it.

    You need to be able to at the drop of a hat be able to tell everything about steering.

    But really the first question should have been is it a hand shuffled game? Well it better be or you just spent no time studying and wanted to play like the average gambler.
    Which groups of cards are you steering? The tens for more 20’s and blackjacks I hope.
    Does the top half of the deck after shuffle and cut card placement add up to -6 to -8 or more? I hope so. (if it is single deck, of course the number will go up for each deck added)

    Are you counting every quarter deck if your playing single deck or dd? Or keeping half deck counts on multi deck games to steer the cards to your advantage?

    Are your bets each round based on average negative tc for each round. I say negative because you are supposed to be steering the tens and aces played in each quarter deck. Those are the good cards for once. A high amount of negative cards off of the first half of the deck is awesome for someone that steers.

    Sorry I have been off the past few days guys. My illness was really bad there for a while and the whiskey didn’t help none here on the forum. Although it did ease some of the pain.

    Still no excuse for rudeness and just plain old ploppyness. even if I am dying.

    The gordon count thing was crazy I couldn’t believe I got that mixed up with side counting every card.One of the first things I learned about blackjack was the gordon counts tag values until I noticed it was actually the hardest system to learn. I was wondering why I wasn’t winning here at the home stead. Just now coming off of my 4 day binder. Again I apologize for my lack of respect and just plain rudeness

    THE ABOVE EXAMPLE WOULD BE OF MY TOWNS STANDARD HOUSE SHUFFLE.

    This is not how steering is done.

    Spaw

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