The book – Page 3

  • Dyepaintball12

     

    Quote: zengrifter said:
    OSN is still hanging in?
    Is the one-armed man still with Stations?
    CET, do they have any games?
    —-
    Casinos:
    Do they know about THE BOOK? yes
    Do they want the book? yes
    Can they easily afford the book? yes
    Are they the single biggest market segment for the book? yes
    Can they be prevented from acquiring the book? no

    Why in the world would a seemingly valuable book like this be made public? zg

    OSN is in more places than you think.

  • FLASH1296

     

    O S N is “coast-to-coast”

  • zengrifter

     

    Quote: QFIT said:
    Yes, in the corporate world, one must avoid the term enemy. Of course there are people that would cut your throat given the chance. But, you still need to go to lunch with them, share drinks, etc., to find out what they’re up to. Information is power. Closing off paths to information is self-defeating.

    Thus, no more IGNOREs, Brother QFIT. zg

  • QFIT

     

    Quote: zengrifter said:
    Thus, no more IGNOREs, Brother QFIT. zg

    I said information – not repetitive, churlish, personal attacks. Extra noise reduces the ability to absorb useful information.

  • zengrifter

     

    Quote: Dyepaintball12 said:
    OSN is in more places than you think.

    What makes them so special, hence their sudden meteoric rise? Lower rates?
    A few years ago I thought they were a hayseed DOA proposition. zg

  • zengrifter

     

    Quote: QFIT said:
    I said information – not repetitive, churlish, personal attacks. Extra noise reduces the ability to absorb useful information.

    Forsooth! But let us always endeavor not to throw the baby out with the bath water!

  • 21forme

     

    Quote: zengrifter said:
    What makes them so special, hence their sudden meteoric rise? Lower rates?
    A few years ago I thought they were a hayseed DOA proposition. zg

    I believe they were in the right place at the right time. They were rising at the time Griffin was falling.

  • Ace007

     

    what is this book everyone is talking about? please pm me.

  • Lonesome Gambler

     

    I’m almost ready to purchase a second copy because mine looks terrible. When I first received the book, I immediately removed the dust cover, thinking it would be a prudent move to preserve the collectible value of the book (dust covers are a crucial part of this equation) — the joke was on me! The thing has seen more time on the road than a long-haul trucker, and to say that it’s been the victim of some normal wear-and-tear would be a generous understatement. Oh well, I didn’t buy the damn thing to enhance my collection, I bought it to step up my game, and I have no complaints there.

    Of course, as ZG cheerfully points out ad nauseam in any and every thread mentioning James Grosjean or ECAA, the casinos have all read the book, and thus all of my hours spent studying the material have been for naught! I hope Mr. Grosjean is happy with the massive $10K profit he must have made from this book (what a grifter, eh?), now that there are no more games to be played due to the loss of critical information to casino suits and surveillance personnel…

  • zengrifter

     

    Quote: Lonesome Gambler said:
    Of course, as ZG cheerfully points out ad nauseam in any and every thread mentioning James Grosjean or ECAA, the casinos have all read the book,

    Misinterpretation of my points?

    Quote: Lonesome Gambler said:
    and thus all of my hours spent studying the material have been for naught! I hope Mr. Grosjean is happy with the massive $10K profit he must have made from this book (what a grifter, eh?), now that there are no more games to be played due to the loss of critical information to casino suits and surveillance personnel…

    Sarcasm over played.

    I never suggested that book profits were a primary driver. Clearly, with a mercurial person like ExCAA profits are secondary at best.

    Obviously Lonesome would likely not have most of the info were it not for THE BOOK, and same applies for me and everyone else when it comes to card-counting books.

    But I have mostly raised the question repeatedly: Why was this book of secrets and advanced knowledge even published? I doubt it was for financial gain. zg

  • creeping panther

    Zg

    Quote: zengrifter said:
    Misinterpretation of my points?

    Sarcasm over played.

    I never suggested that book profits were a primary driver. Clearly, with a mercurial person like ExCAA profits are secondary at best.

    Obviously Lonesome would likely not have most of the info were it not for THE BOOK, and same applies for me and everyone else when it comes to card-counting books.

    But I have mostly raised the question repeatedly: Why was this book of secrets and advanced knowledge even published? I doubt it was for financial gain. zg

    ZG,
    I believe the Psychological reasons that have been discussed are very plausible, trumping the monetary motive.

    I have to wonder, is JG, “Tulip”? (Sounds sorta feminine to me).

    Any thought on that Z-Man? Has JG ever had a fondness for flowers?

    CP

  • zengrifter

     

    Quote: creeping panther said:
    ZG,
    I believe the Psychological reasons that have been discussed are very plausible, trumping the monetary motive.

    I have to wonder, is JG, “Tulip”? (Sounds sorta feminine to me).

    Any thought on that Z-Man? Has JG ever had a fondness for flowers?

    We had best tip toe through THOSE tulips, Brother Panther. zg

  • Sucker

     

    Who has gained from the publication of this book?

    1) The author.
    **(a)Financially: Massive -EV.
    **(b)Fame: Massive +EV.

    2)Casinos.
    **(a)Game Protection: Huge +EV.
    **(b)Proliferation of APs: -EV, but no where NEAR enough to make up for the game protection aspect.

    3) People who are APs BECAUSE of the book: For the ones that have done their homework; HUGE +EV. These are the people who are – or at least SHOULD be – thanking their lucky stars for their discovery of this book. These are the people who think that ZG and other people’s criticism of the book is nothing more than sour grapes. I fully expect many of these people to take issue with the points I’m making. I don’t blame these people for feeling this way; if I were in this category I would feel the same way!

    4) Long time established pros: Massive -EV. These are the people who have been hurt the worst, and have gained NOTHING. In this world there are only so many rainbows with pots of gold; there are now 10 times as many people with which to share the gold. And yes; according to the author there always WILL be advantages, but why would you want to PURPOSELY destroy the existing ones?
    ** There’s nothing new under the sun. The simple fact is; there is NOTHING in that book that wasn’t already known by most of the long-time established pros. There are probably a hundred or more people who COULD have written the book, but chose NOT to; for the reasons given above, and/or even more IMPORTANTLY, did not wish to betray the people who taught these moves to THEM – IN THE STRICTEST CONFIDENCE!

  • Sucker

     

    Quote: creeping panther said:
    I have to wonder, is JG, “Tulip”? (Sounds sorta feminine to me).

    Funny you should mention that. As I was reading the original post to this thread, I couldn’t help but notice the similarity in the writing styles.

  • creeping panther

    Sucker

    Quote: Sucker said:
    Funny you should mention that. As I was reading the original post to this thread, I couldn’t help but notice the similarity in the writing styles.

    and with the obvious true intent of the non-edited original post, and his past practices, a possibility, and in relation to other info I care not to divulge on this site, (but will very soon in the physical presence of other AP’s.)

    I, and many others, would also like to thank the Mods for quick action in having the original “cleansed”.

    CP

  • Lonesome Gambler

     

    Quote: Sucker said:
    Funny you should mention that. As I was reading the original post to this thread, I couldn’t help but notice the similarity in the writing styles.

    Good grief, you of all people… I’m unfortunately beginning to expect this kind of nonsense from CP (whose continued willingness to pretend that he didn’t notice my previous posts in this thread is either seriously pathetic or highly troubling), but I’m surprised that you would so readily jump on the crazy train.

    As for your previous post, I agree with just about everything you said. I’m one of those APs who has done his homework and has benefited greatly from the book. I have never met JG, and I have no direct contact with him; as such, I have no informed opinion of him as a person one way or another. I do think he’s a great writer and a player with a rare combination of theoretical and practical skills (the ability to figure out how to beat a game, analyze it at a high level, and actually apply the data in a live, dynamic casino environment is not a common one); as to his personality, I have no opinion, nor do I think it matters much in this context.

    You also mentioned people that see ZG’s constant pseudo-jabs at JG as being mere sour grapes—I imagine that I’m one of the people you’re referring to. I don’t think that ZG’s intentions really have anything to do with his concern for the quality of today’s games, and as such have little to do with the point you make. Anyone with even the most basic critical thinking ability (I apologize if that sounds condescending; that’s not my intention) will see straight through his completely transparent façade.

    For most of the rest of stuff in this thread, all I can say is that I’m starting to understand why the talent pool in this forum has thinned exponentially in the last few years. It’s a shame.

  • creeping panther

    Lg

    I would kindly ask you to be very, very careful in the way you have been referring to me in your posts. As you know I have always treated you with respect and helped you with info at those times when you requested it. You repay me now by showing me great disrespect, not wise.

    We both know what the real issue is here, and it is very narrow and very limited. We have had private discussions concerning that very serious issue, that you and another are for sure involved in. Hopefully I will learn who the third one is, you know, but will not say.

    As to the last two paragraphs in your latest post,, yes, they are very condescending, and insulting to many here, I am sure,,,but then again you have made it rather clear, you really are,, (in your own estimation),special.

    Happy Holidays,
    CP

  • Sucker

     

    Quote: Lonesome Gambler said:
    Good grief, you of all people… I’m unfortunately beginning to expect this kind of nonsense from CP (whose continued willingness to pretend that he didn’t notice my previous posts in this thread is either seriously pathetic or highly troubling), but I’m surprised that you would so readily jump on the crazy train.

    I didn’t mean to imply that I actually BELIEVED it. But I must admit that for a minute the thought DID cross my mind, what with the pedantic and slightly abrasive writing style!

  • zengrifter

     

    Quote: Lonesome Gambler said:
    I don’t think that ZG’s intentions really have anything to do with his concern for the quality of today’s games, and as such have little to do with the point you make. Anyone with even the most basic critical thinking ability (I apologize if that sounds condescending; that’s not my intention) will see straight through his completely transparent façade.

    I feel so exposed. You got me!!

    Quote: Lonesome Gambler said:
    For most of the rest of stuff in this thread, all I can say is that I’m starting to understand why the talent pool in this forum has thinned exponentially in the last few years. It’s a shame.

    Yes, but other than Brother Monkey who’s gone? (I wish Syph would visit more often) zg

  • Wookets

     

    Quote: zengrifter said:
    Yes, but other than Brother Monkey who’s gone? (I wish Syph would visit more often) zg

    The author himself, for starters

  • KenSmith

     

    We’ve lost a lot of knowledgeable posters. And who could blame them. Flame fests and trolls kill anyone’s desire to participate.

  • zengrifter

     

    Quote: Wookets said:
    The author himself, for starters

    ExhibitCAA was only around for a short time and he started attacking and name-calling that was wholly inappropriate. Who else? zg

  • Sonny

     

    Oh man, the two posts above are just too perfect not to laugh! First the set-up, then the punchline.

    -Sonny-

  • BrianCP

     

    From my point of view, it seems to be the senior members that do all the fighting. You guys aren’t really the ones who could stand to benefit the most from this forum, you are already making a living or capable of making a living at blackjack.

    This forum really helps people who want to learn to be the best AP they can be with advice from people who have already made it. Advice regarding playable games, bet spreads, camo, counting systems, and the math of the game is incredibly invaluable to a member like me. Having the senior members leave due to infighting only hurts new users and users who benefit from their advice.

The BlackjackInfo Knowledge Base contains over 200,000 messages posted by the BlackjackInfo community.

Posting and replies to the knowledge base are no longer available, but comments and replies are welcomed on the blog.