Bodog blackjack cheating? – Page 3

  • FLASH1296

     

    I must say something here.

    The chance of losing a hand (pushes ignored) is way more than 50%.

    I have certainly lost every hand in a shoe on more than one occasion.

  • RJT

     

    Quote: MangoJ said:
    With chance of losing a hand as 50%, losing 10 times in a row is just 0.1%. Nothing special if you play thousands of hands. Can easily happen once every hour!

    That was sarcasim – i’ve played a LOT online. Bodog’s absolutely sound.

    RJT.

  • MangoJ

     

    Quote: RJT said:
    That was sarcasim – i’ve played a LOT online. Bodog’s absolutely sound.

    Sorry yes. I also played bodog for thousands of hands. Their interface is the fastest and most convenient I’ve ever seen. And I cannot claim they are rigged, performance was several hundred $s above EV. And they paid me fast without questions.

  • Gamblor

     

    Quote: tthree said:
    I wouldnt gamble online because its to easy to IMAGINE being cheated. Some of the things said were ridiculous. Their free game being rigged. I mean come on if they want you to play for money of course they rig their free game but so you WIN NOT LOSE.

    I used my betting ramp against their CSM and still lost money faster. Talking about using betting ramp against a csm gets your post a quick ride to the voodoo strategy board as a progression bettor. A quick look at the math we give any progression system shows why you lose money faster.

    Losing this many hands in a row. I read something here lately were the lose streak in a computer sim was over 400 hands or some other ridiculously high number that makes your 10 or 20 hand losing streak look like nothing.

    The dealer hits out to 20 or 21. How often do we see that happen?

    Gamblers have a selective memory which makes your losses stick out. Humans are programmed to remember pain more than pleasure as a survival instinct. Once the seed is planted you only remember the events that reinforce that belief.

    How many times do you here a ploppy talk about how your correct play took the dealer bust card? Does he ever notice ANY of the times where you take the card that would have made the dealers hand only to have the dealer bust?

    If Bodog was planning on going out of business tomorrow then it makes sense to cheat you today. If they had a monopoly so addicted gamblers had no other option then they might cheat you. But if they want to continue to have you lose money on their sight day after day after day all they have to do is offer a game where they have an edge and let the probability take care of itself.

    Unlike us their biggest defense against variance when playing with a small edge is to have as many people as possible betting at any time and let to the law of large numbers to take effect daily. How many months or years does it take us?

    Yes, yes, I’ve played a few hands of BJ too and am somewhat aware of negative variance. In fact on a bit of a losing streak now and getting my butt kicked by the gods of variance lately, and I don’t find it peculiar in any way. Played a few sim rounds of BJ too. So you’ll have to trust me a bit when I say what found in admittedly the relatively short time I played around with their free software, I was consistently getting beaten in the strangest ways described by the OP, and he posted this thread just around the time I was playing with the software.

    Of course Bodog would have no need to cheat with a house edge, and that’s not what I suggest. But what possibly could have happened, and just speculating here, was there was a short term glitch in their software. Presumably their game logic is done on the server. Maybe they updated their server code introduced some bug, or inadvertently activated some testing subroutine, or something like that for that time. Errors like this happen all the time with software and websites. Brings to mind the cheating incident with one of the poker sites, where one of the employees were able to see the other players hands by hacking the code (not suggesting a similar thing happened here).

    I’m sure if check it out now Bodog is fine, but its possible something might have happened for a brief period of time.

  • captrobey

    Yes it seems rigged

    On most days i go in there and play BJ i almost always lose my money. Dealer gets an ungodly amount of BJs and 21s where it seems i never can get good cards.
    However ,once in a blue moon it goes your way. If you hit it hard at that time you can win . The most i got was 20000 . One other time i got to 10000.But i ended up losing it all right back after building it up. What took hours to get to in a matter of minutes was wiped out after i upped my bets to 500 a hand and dealer starting getting 21s every hand . Obviously rigged at that point but my own fault for not cashing out. And forget doubling down you will get smoked.
    For kicks on a lot of days i go in there and play for fun keeping track betting 500 a hand . I want to see out of 10 tries betting 500 a hand how often i could get from 1000 to 2000 or go broke. Keep in mind this was on fun mode. I would normally lose 8 out of 10 tries . I did once hit 9 out of 10 ,that was the best i ever did and only once. You would think in fun mode you would hit more often and they would let you win but NOPE.
    Finally, i have never seen so many 21s in my life with multiple cards then on Bodog. I NEVER have that luck but on bodog it seems to happen pretty frequently. IOW you will have a 20 finally and thedealer will get 6 cards and you guessed it-all adding to 21.

  • RJT

     

    Quote: captrobey said:
    On most days i go in there and play BJ i almost always lose my money. Dealer gets an ungodly amount of BJs and 21s where it seems i never can get good cards.
    However ,once in a blue moon it goes your way. If you hit it hard at that time you can win . The most i got was 20000 . One other time i got to 10000.But i ended up losing it all right back after building it up. What took hours to get to in a matter of minutes was wiped out after i upped my bets to 500 a hand and dealer starting getting 21s every hand . Obviously rigged at that point but my own fault for not cashing out. And forget doubling down you will get smoked.
    For kicks on a lot of days i go in there and play for fun keeping track betting 500 a hand . I want to see out of 10 tries betting 500 a hand how often i could get from 1000 to 2000 or go broke. Keep in mind this was on fun mode. I would normally lose 8 out of 10 tries . I did once hit 9 out of 10 ,that was the best i ever did and only once. You would think in fun mode you would hit more often and they would let you win but NOPE.
    Finally, i have never seen so many 21s in my life with multiple cards then on Bodog. I NEVER have that luck but on bodog it seems to happen pretty frequently. IOW you will have a 20 finally and thedealer will get 6 cards and you guessed it-all adding to 21.

    This post just leaves me so full of question!* Like why if you believe the software to be rigged would you continue to play there? Do you honestly believe that if you’re playing against rigged software (and btw, you’re not) it would be your fault that you lost simply because you didn’t withdraw? But the most pressing question for me is why do you people who know nothing about advantage play come to a site specifically designed to discuss advantage play techniques to b*tch about your misfortune when playing a losing game? This is really beyond me. There are literally hundereds of gambling communities out there discussing both on and offline gambling, yet you turn up at one of the very few that’s going to take one look at the maths behind your betting and dismiss you as just another gambler whining about their bad luck.

    Bodog isn’t rigged. They make more than enough off of gamblers playing games that are completely fair – in so much as the conform to a predefined house edge – that they don’t need to risk their reputation implementing cheating software, a reputation that attracts a huge volume of customers to their site who are going to lose honestly. In fact rigged software is exceptionally rare in the online casino world. When an online casino want to inflate it’s win figure and is prepared to do something dodgy, they simple decline payment to winning players via some obscure term that they shoe horn to fit the situation. What you’ve experienced is bad luck and if you don’t like it, don’t gamble.

    RJT.

    *Please don’t answer any of these questions.

  • captrobey

     

    Why do i keep playing if i keep losing? A fair question . Really 2 reasons i keep pleying there.
    First , in the back of my mind since i did get it up to 10000 and 20000 once i keep thinking i can get there one more time and just cash out.
    Second, i just lack the restraint to stay out for good. It is that simple. Dont get me wrong, i can stay out of there for awhile then all of a sudden i give in to temptation.I keep thinking i am way overdue for a win streak-maybe it will let me win just once. So yes , i am just stupid enough to keep going back.
    I disagree with you though on the game not being rigged. I live an hour away from AC and play there at times. Overall on most days i come out nicely ahead.I have never and i do mean NEVER have seen anything near the amount of insane great cards the dealer gets online as opposed to real BJ at the casino. I am not saying it is just Bodog-it is most i have played online at.There are actually worse out there then Bodog and i have disabled those accounts because i did not have the restraint to stay away. Bodog at least once in awhile lets you win here and there which is probably why i have not closed that site down like i did the rest.
    Honestly i play mainly at rebatewager because of the fact they do not have a casino.That way i do not get tempted.
    And this is more then just “Bad luck”. THe way the cards come out that frequently cannot be random. I should just stay away all together from any electronic BJ .Too easy to rigg it to dealers favor-heres an example.
    I used to play at Phila park casino elec BJ .Huge tables that you sit at with others and there is a virtual dealer. My first 3 trips i mopped up winning over 5000 . After the first month i have never won again, not even close.Except once. While i was sitting there 3 people came up.A reporter and a camera crew. THey wanted to film us for a news segment having fun at the casino. At the time everyone was losing as usual. Then, as soon as they started filming us every single person at the table was winning every hand. As soon as they stopped filming a couple minutes later it went back to being normal with everyone losing again. I stopped going to that casino after that i have never been back since. But that shows how easy it is to rigg a game and that was in an actual casino. Online i do not think it is any different. They can do anything they want and there is nothing we can do about it.
    But you are right when you say if i do not like it dont gamble. I should stop because i will never win.

  • tthree

    Distorted perceptions of reality

    My, my you really dont understand chance and random events. And your use in bold print of never shows everyone here you have a very limited amount of gambling experience. How exactly do you think they got those video machines to perform for the film crew. Casino machines are rigged in a lot of ways to give you the APPEARANCE that you just missed a big payoff. This type of rigging doesnt make the game any less fair it just affects your perception.

    You are probably a victim of selective memory and playing a negative EV game for a long enough time to make being ahead unlikely. Selective memory is a survival adaptation that has bad events stick out more prominently in your memory. The organisms that possess this ability are going to learn from their environment not to repeat catastrophic mistakes thereby increasing their likelihood of surviving lifes perils in their environment. Unfortunately the side effect is that non life threatening events that are bad are remembered more vividly causing a distorted perception of reality.

  • MangoJ

     

    Quote: captrobey said:
    Why do i keep playing if i keep losing? A fair question . Really 2 reasons i keep pleying there.
    First , in the back of my mind since i did get it up to 10000 and 20000 once i keep thinking i can get there one more time and just cash out.
    Second, i just lack the restraint to stay out for good. It is that simple. Dont get me wrong, i can stay out of there for awhile then all of a sudden i give in to temptation.I keep thinking i am way overdue for a win streak-maybe it will let me win just once. So yes , i am just stupid enough to keep going back.

    I’m very sorry for you. if busting 10000 on a negative EV game will not teach you a lesson, you should get professional help on gambling problems.

  • tthree

     

    One final note . Do you realize that most blackjack in a casino is dealt without replacement of the cards played previously. I believe most online blackjack is dealt with replacement of these cards. These are entirely different games with different expectations.

  • Caesar

    Cheating?

    I found this at PokerScout under Bodog reviews and thought it would be of interest here:

    “A friend of mine used to work at Bodog offices in Vancouver. my friend told me they were drinking with some executives a few years back and they were laughing over an inside joke saying that anytime the company needed a bit more cash flow they would tweak the casino metrics to have a higher win ratio for Bodog. He said they can do this because they have their own proprietary software that was purchased fromn RTG. the casinos that are licensed from software providers who are third party can’t adjust the metrics as they have no control over the operations. now that Bodog is dropped down so far in market share they might be rigging the casino to keep the doors open.”

  • QFIT

     

    Bodog no longer exists as a online casino operator. They just sell their brand name.

  • Gamblor

     

    Quote: Caesar said:
    I found this at PokerScout under Bodog reviews and thought it would be of interest here:

    “A friend of mine used to work at Bodog offices in Vancouver. my friend told me they were drinking with some executives a few years back and they were laughing over an inside joke saying that anytime the company needed a bit more cash flow they would tweak the casino metrics to have a higher win ratio for Bodog. He said they can do this because they have their own proprietary software that was purchased fromn RTG. the casinos that are licensed from software providers who are third party can’t adjust the metrics as they have no control over the operations. now that Bodog is dropped down so far in market share they might be rigging the casino to keep the doors open.”

    Hmm interesting point. Yes these corporate exec types are driven to meet their quarterly numbers (there’s probably thousands of $ worth of bonuses on the line and their jobs), would not be shocked if they rigged things so they meet it. Usually its accounting shenanigans for most companies, but for a online gaming…

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