Side Counts

Hi guys, I was just wondering about side counts and bet spreads

* How do you use side counts practically EG: you know there are 12 more aces, how can you take this and put into maths and make an informed decision?

* Also say using a simple hi lo count, what kind of spreads would you be using depending on the count?

If your using HILO then there is little to be gained from side counting aces as it is ace reckoned already.

To be honest betting spreads have been written about massively for the last 30-40 years.

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Pierce, I think he is asking what spread should he adjust to based on the Ace side-count.

That would make more sense....:devil:

You wouldn't use a spread as opposed to a running/true count adjustment.
EG: with UAPC, an extra Ace is worth +3 on top of your RUNNING count. If you do plan to use an ASC with HILO, then you'll have to ask someone who uses it and knows the conversion...anyone?!

If I were you i'd just stick with HiLo, and if it comes to a point in the future where you find it simple and would like to advance onto something with a side count, learn HIOPTII.

Pierce

* There are expected to be 12 aces in 3 decks of cards, 4 per deck. If there are 2 decks left the pack is rich 4 aces. If there are 4 decks left the pack is poor 4 aces. If you use HILO or most ace reckoned counts this information is useless for bet sizing. Playing on the other hand is another story. On hands that the ace is better grouped with the low cards knowing how much of your count is due to ace surplus or deficit is useful information. I will leave it to those that side count aces with HILO to explain it.

* Spread depends on a lot of things: bankroll, rules of the game, # of decks being used, Table minimum and maximum, casino tolerance to spreading and bet size, and what count you use. Provide this information and you may get some answers.

In most cases, using an ace sc with HiLo would not change the optimal bets.

Simple probability. But it does not matter how many are left, it matters if it is 12 heavy. But that is extreme, although I have come close to getting that. Aces side counted are used for insurance purposes mostly. I like being no less than 4 aces heavy when I would increase my bets for betting purposes. But then again are you playing heads up. A lot of outside variables if you really think about it.

Way to vague more detail on what you mean.

Ace Side Count for Playing Purposes

This method is only valid with "Ace-reckoned" strategies (e.g. High-Low, Halves, Red Seven, Zen Count, and Revere Point Count.) Note: using an Ace SC for one of these strategies requires a different set of strategy tables. Few people use this technique these days. If you are using any of these systems, the true count is quite accurate for betting purposes, but less accurate for playing purposes. To correct this, use the following procedure:

Calculate the number of excess Aces (may be negative) in the remaining cards
Multiply the number of excess Aces by the absolute value of the point count value assigned by the current strategy to Ten-value cards (normally one or two)
Temporarily subtract the result from the running count
Recalculate the true count for strategy decision purposes only
If this is an Insurance decision, temporarily subtract double the result from the running count
Recalculate the true count for Insurance purposes only

http://www.qfit.com/blackjack-side-counts.htm

This method is the only method i know of for "ace reckoned" strategies. Not worth it, if you ask me. Especially for MD.

IF you SC aces in a 6D game and theres 3 decks(4 pr deck) in the discard tray and no aces have appeared then your +12 rich. If 12 aces have appeared then your neutral. If all 24 aces have came out then your -12. Copy?

SC aces are primarily used for 1 and 2 deck games with non ace reckoned strategies for betting purposes. If you want to SC them as well to increase your PE then you must learn the ACE multi-parameter adjustments for the system your using. For Level 2, the adjustments are near identical.