First Trip to Las Vegas – Low Roller $1-$5 Blackjack –

  • BOB2009

    First Trip to Las Vegas – Low Roller $1-$5 Blackjack –

    First Trip to Las Vegas – Low Roller $1-$5 Blackjack –

    I’m taking my first trip to Vegas soon. I’m a low roller and will be there for 3 nights. I have a BR of $3K between BJ and hold’em.

    For BlackJack I’ve looked at the Wizard of Vegas site and found many places with a low limit ($1-5) so I can really control my spread well. I’m just wondering what is everyones favorite spots for low-rollers in Vegas that have favorable rules.

    This will be my first time playing out of a show and I’m wondering if there will be a lot of heat for a 21 year old Canadian in Vegas in low roller games ?

    In my List I have:

    El Cortez
    Fremont
    Longhorn
    Las Vegas Club Casino
    Golden Nugget??
    Palace Station
    Sahara
    Silver Nugget
    Gold Spike Casino
    Slots-A-Fun

    I will be playing Hold’em:
    Flamingo
    Hard Rock Casino

    Just throwing in that hold’em info because I’m excited for Vegas.

  • shadroch

     

    Forget the Las Vegas Club. It has no decent BJ.
    I don’t believe The Nugget has any $5 tables, and The Fremont has no decent games. I don’t think Slots of Fun does, either.
    Will you have a car? If not, forget The Longhorn,Palace Station and Silver Nugget.
    The Sahara game is fun for $1, but it’s not a game to try to beat with a spread. It’s a game to play while drinking a few free beers.

  • moo321

     

    With a small bankroll, I would actually recommend back-counting shoe games.

    I don’t think you’ll get heat spreading, say, $5-20 or $5-30, as long as you don’t play more than an hour and a half or so.

    However, my stupid ass friend played a single decker for four hours and got flat bet playing low red chips. So, stay long enough, and eventually they’ll catch you.

    Downtown is quite sweaty.

  • FLASH1296

     

    $1 minimum tables are found at Gold Spike, Fiesta, Fitzgeralds,
    Sahara, Poker Palace, Slots A Fun, and Skyline.

    $2 minimum tables are found at The Longhorn, Klondike Sunset, Club
    Fortune, Arizona Charlies-Decatur, California Club, Hacienda, Vegas
    Club.

    $3 minimum tables are too numerous to list.

    Expect only the worst of rules and poor penetration.

    For comprehensive info’ go to:

    http://wizardofvegas.com/guides/blackjack-survey/

  • moo321

     

    Quote: FLASH1296 said:
    $1 minimum tables are found at Gold Spike, Fiesta, Fitzgeralds,
    Sahara, Poker Palace, Slots A Fun, and Skyline.

    $2 minimum tables are found at The Longhorn, Klondike Sunset, Club
    Fortune, Arizona Charlies-Decatur, California Club, Hacienda, Vegas
    Club.

    $3 minimum tables are too numerous to list.

    Expect only the worst of rules and poor penetration.

    For comprehensive info’ go to:

    http://wizardofvegas.com/guides/blackjack-survey/

    Well, there you have it.

  • zengrifter

     

    Quote: moo321 said:
    With a small bankroll, I would actually recommend back-counting shoe games.

    I don’t think you’ll get heat spreading, say, $5-20 or $5-30, as long as you don’t play more than an hour and a half or so.

    However, my stupid ass friend played a single decker for four hours and got flat bet playing low red chips. So, stay long enough, and eventually they’ll catch you.

    Downtown is quite sweaty.

    Where Is Moooooo?

  • BOB2009

    So what should my strategy be for my first trip?

    Should I ‘back count’ and camo myself as being intimidated by casino blackjack as it is my first trip, then jump into at a favorable count?

    What is a good place to burst my blackjack cherry?

    I’m wondering what is a good first Las Vegas blackjack casino for me.

  • BOB2009

    I could manage to rent-a-car

    I could rent one. Why?

  • FLASH1296

    Callow Youth and renting a car in Las Vegas

    If you are in Las Vegas without a car, you are VERY limited as to where you can play, especially if you are looking for low stakes.

    I just rented a car for 7 days for next week in Las vegas [from Hertz]

    Car rentals are cheap in Las Vegas.
    I have a car reserved for me (4/14 − 21)
    Comes to just $18.70 per day inclusive.

    Car daily rate – Hotwire Hot Rate: $10.95
    Rental days:7
    Subtotal:$76.65
    Tax recovery charges and fees:$54.33
    Total price:$130.98
    Total charges to my credit card$130.98

    If <$19/day (divided among you and your crew) is too much of an expense,
    you’re irrational in taking a Las Vegas trip that you seemingly cannot afford.
    Just getting internet access in your room will cost nearly as much at most properties.

    Note: If nobody in your crew is >25 years of age, prices will be higher.

  • shadroch

     

    Because without a car, you won’t be able to get to The Longhorn, Jerrys, Silver Nugget, Orleans, Rampart or a half dozen other places you should get to.

  • zengrifter

     

    Quote: moo321 said:
    With a small bankroll, I would actually recommend back-counting shoe games.

    I don’t think you’ll get heat spreading, say, $5-20 or $5-30, as long as you don’t play more than an hour and a half or so.

    However, my stupid ass friend played a single decker for four hours and got flat bet playing low red chips. So, stay long enough, and eventually they’ll catch you.

    Downtown is quite sweaty.

    Moo, respond to my PM please. zg

  • mal129

     

    I like the games downtown: Binions, Fremont, Plaza. They have $1-$5 games. Look for 3:2 pay on Blackjacks though. Many of the casino are doing 6:5. I know the Vegas Club as of April 2010 are doing 4-deck shoe games with fetish-dressed dealers and go-go dancers. Not to shabby if your a first-timer. Best of luck!

  • tribute

     

    Quote: mal129 said:
    I like the games downtown: Binions, Fremont, Plaza. They have $1-$5 games. Look for 3:2 pay on Blackjacks though. Many of the casino are doing 6:5. I know the Vegas Club as of April 2010 are doing 4-deck shoe games with fetish-dressed dealers and go-go dancers. Not to shabby if your a first-timer. Best of luck!

    Do you know what rules will be in effect on the 4-deckers? (Maybe it really doesn’t matter with all the extra entertainment.)

  • FLASH1296

     

    As a reliable rule of thumb, once a casino offers you a pit of sexy female dealers — they offer it with a bad set of rules to go along with the cleavage.

  • ChefJJ

     

    Plus, if you walk a little further towards the back of the Vegas Club, they have better games…but it is a lot harder to see the pole dancers. Choose your poison

    good luck

  • shadroch

     

    Quote: ChefJJ said:
    Plus, if you walk a little further towards the back of the Vegas Club, they have better games…but it is a lot harder to see the pole dancers. Choose your poison

    good luck

    I didn’t see any games there that I’d classify as good.

  • ChefJJ

     

    Quote: shadroch said:
    I didn’t see any games there that I’d classify as good.

    I wouldn’t either. Better is a relative term…at least it was in October.

  • badclover

     

    Are you going with family or significant other?

    if so do they play blackjack as well?

    My advice.. RENT A CAR RENT A CAR RENT A CAR!!!

    You will be able to hit much more casino that offer decent games.

    Your playing time will dictate which casinos will have playable games.

    Honestly if you renting a car the only place your going to want to play downtown is El Cortez, they have a $3 bj with the best rules your gonna find at those stakes and 60-80 pen (yes i said 80 percent with some dealers) Stay away from the other joints. A good reason to stay away from these joints is because they are high traffic areas and youll get a lot of ploppies running in and out of your game. It will happen at El Cortez but mostly on the $3 table and the Single deck tables, Usually your sitting with max 2 players at the $5 tables.

    If your renting a car it opens up worlds of options.

    Red rock i beleive usually has $5 games early morning and good Pen. (it may vary by dealer)
    Santa fe station always has $5 tables usually 1 or 2 open early morning but more open up at noon. Pen varies by dealer so dont be afraid to jump tables to find good pen.

    Alliante Station, VERY nice casino, up north about 20 minutes from downtown, great game of bj here, get there before noon table mins will be $5 and switch over at noon.

    Boulder station pen varies by dealer however there pit crew are very nice on grave and swing, very accomadating with comps. They have 1-3 tables open on grave, when swing comes in they open up 2-3 more.
    Palace station if your going to play graveyard should have some $5 DD which is a very good. Early mornings (after 9pm) the mins are usually $10

    Silver Nugget, ive played here but not for long but its one of the best Double decks youll find, and honestly dont worry about spread here if you get backed off its not the end of the world.

    Jerrys Nugget has only 1 table for DD sometimes its busy sometimes its dead. ive seen either or on any given night during peak hours. Pen varies by dealer but most the ones ive seen give 65-70 a few dont.

    Long horn and Big horn casino, 6 decks only. decent rules but honestly you can find just as good of a $5 shoe game at the stations, Greenvalley i saw the other night the dealer was cutting off only 1-1.25 decks. Also. LH BH are CRAZY local joints i have been in both using matchplay and honestly i not usually nervous but i didnt feel good about having my bankroll in my pocket in this place.

    Also if you dont know, Order a American Casino guide from amazon for $12… if you have a buddy going or signifcant other get one for them too. Tons of Match plays and good food offers.

    I dont really recommend Arizona charlies although its a great atmosphere and the pit crew is nice, pen varies by dealer there is always an open table but a lot of them deal 50 percent only a few go deeper. Sometimes its just not worth the drive.

    Dont worry to much about your $5-30 spread. If you have a $3k bankroll youll be fine. Dont be afraid to get up and switch tables if more then one person sits down to yours and there is another open table around. Unless you know the other dealer has terrible pen and your dealer is going deep.

    Hope this helps.

  • Cardcounter

     

    I was just in vegas the best place to stay is at Bills Gambling Hall for $40.32 a night including tax.

    But Playing a blackjack game with fair rules for $5 or under is impossible in vegas. They have 6-5 and crappy rules for that price. $50 minimum at the MGM had really great rules for double deck.

  • b jay cobbson

    The best place to stay in Vegas is the Wynn….

    Quote: Cardcounter said:
    I was just in vegas the best place to stay is at Bills Gambling Hall for $40.32 a night including tax.

    …comped!

    All kidding aside, Bill’s has surprizingly nice rooms that are inexpensive, very good food specials in their restaurant, and right at Flamingo. They have no playable games, but my friend Big Elvis (Pete Vallee) makes up for it. Don’t miss his show. Also, their parking lot ramp is more fun than a roller coaster.

    Cobbson

  • shadroch

     

    Quote: Cardcounter said:
    I was just in vegas the best place to stay is at Bills Gambling Hall for $40.32 a night including tax.

    But Playing a blackjack game with fair rules for $5 or under is impossible in vegas. They have 6-5 and crappy rules for that price. $50 minimum at the MGM had really great rules for double deck.

    I do hope your advice on Reno/Tahoe is better than your Vegas advice. you sound like atypical loser who didn’t do any research and then moans about his lack of success.

  • moo321

     

    Quote: b jay cobbson said:
    …comped!

    All kidding aside, Bill’s has surprizingly nice rooms that are inexpensive, very good food specials in their restaurant, and right at Flamingo. They have no playable games, but my friend Big Elvis (Pete Vallee) makes up for it. Don’t miss his show. Also, their parking lot ramp is more fun than a roller coaster.

    Cobbson

    They have a really live $ .50-1 NL game. It’s a $20 buy-in, and people literally wander in drunk from the strip and donk off hundreds of dollars.

  • Lonesome Gambler

     

    For the record:

    – Golden Nugget does have $5 games during the week and at slow hours on the weekend. It’s the standard 6D game (H17 DAS RSA LS).

    – Silver Nugget is playable ($3 min) on certain days of the week when they run promotions (these change frequently). If you’re not the most obvious counter in the world, you can play here for a little while. Plus, they usually have a DJ playing great funk and soul on the weekends right next to the pit.

    – MGM has another decent, generic 6D game that runs at $5 minimums at off-hours and on weekdays. You can backcount pretty easily here.

    – Longhorn and Bighorn are tiny places with low minimums and some unusual rules (double on any 3, etc.). You will get barred here if you play for any length of time, but if you’re in the area, you can usually get a heads-up game at the one table they’ll have open! $2 min.

    – Slots has cheap games, but they are awful. They’re worth practicing on if you’re a new guy because you can play very aggressively at a slightly EV game and either play with impunity or get backed off at a place you don’t care about playing anyway.

    – Conditions change downtown a lot, but EC is an old standby and you will find some other good games if you look. This is assuming that you also play DD.

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