Good DD games

  • blackjackomaha

     

    Quote: mjbballar23 said:
    is it hand shuffled or ASM?

    Hand shuffled

  • Shoofly

     

    Quote: blackjackomaha said:
    70% pen seems standard from dealer to dealer. Tokes definitely get more pen – 80-90%. Didn’t matter what dealer thus far.

    Also

    How does that work? Do you ask the dealer for deeper pen, or do they just automatically do it with a toke? If so, how do they know that is important to you.

  • eandre

     

    Leave your computer now and start playing 2 hands before the golden goose is gone if you can really das.

  • MangoJ

     

    Quote: Shoofly said:
    Also

    How does that work? Do you ask the dealer for deeper pen, or do they just automatically do it with a toke? If so, how do they know that is important to you.

    Well, you put up a bet for the dealer near the ends, and if he shuffles you pull it back.

  • blackjackomaha

     

    Quote: eandre said:
    Leave your computer now and start playing 2 hands before the golden goose is gone if you can really das.

    You can play up to three hands at table minimum.

    Not that I would know…

  • Shoofly

     

    Quote: MangoJ said:
    Well, you put up a bet for the dealer near the ends, and if he shuffles you pull it back.

    That’s fine if it works. It seems to me that would be a counter “tell”.

  • horse_johnson

     

    I have noticed a couple fairly decent DD games in isolated parts of the Midwest, and I want to share this info and get info about other DD games in other parts of the Midwest, but I don’t want to broadcast the info in public and compromise the games. Can someone PM me and tell me how to go about this, if possible?

  • paddywhack

     

    Quote: horse_johnson said:
    I have noticed a couple fairly decent DD games in isolated parts of the Midwest, and I want to share this info and get info about other DD games in other parts of the Midwest, but I don’t want to broadcast the info in public and compromise the games. Can someone PM me and tell me how to go about this, if possible?

    Post away…. you need 10 to get PM privileges

  • FLASH1296

     

    For quite some time, I had a S17 DAS [-.19%] DD game where one
    dollar ($1) tokes got me not only 90+% pen but a shuffle on negative counts.

    I even occasionally went PAST 100% pen with a $2 toke.

    A small rural casino in a profoundly poor corner of the U.S.A.
    Sadly, the casino went to a fixed 50% pen’ nearly a year ago.

  • alwayssplitaces

     

    Going over 100% pen is -EV since the count will be the inverse of whatever’s on the table if they shuffle the discards. It must be nice to selectively tip at the shuffle point based on the count. But I agree it’s a huge tell and a big loss of EV. You would need to bet $100 with a 1% edge, or $50 with a 2% edge to make up the cost of the tip.

  • FLASH1296

     

    No not Negative e.v. but massively positive.

    “Over 100% pen'” occurs when there are just barely enough cards remaining to deal a round
    (heads-up in my case); as it may go over 100% as the dealer must draw an extra card or two.

    This scenario would only happen if I bought that final hand for a buck. Let’s look closer.
    With a very positive count and only a few cards remaining, one knows what remains
    rather accurately, [using Hi-Opt II with Side-Counted Aces & Sevens]. Also, the mean
    cards per hand drops precipitously, as I am extremely unlikely to draw a 3rd card.

    The sweetest part of this is that I get to bet with a high T.C. and good estimation of what (few) cards
    remain; but the dealer, if in need of additional cards must shuffle the discards, playing at ZERO T.C.

    Anyone who thinks that the “numbers” are correct in dictating that $1 tokes are foolhardy
    has a great deal to learn about the “facts on the ground” re: casino comportment.

  • Blue Efficacy

     

    OMG I can’t give the dealer a ####### dollar because it will hurt my EV!

    If someone is that concerned over a buck or two, why would they place money in a high risk venture like BJ?

  • horse_johnson

     

    My local casino offers a game perfectly tailored to my limited BR, and in an attempt to keep that going I tipped quite liberally the last time I was there.

    That said, I hated doing it because I oppose tipping those suckers on principle. It’s not that I’m a miser who hates tipping. I’m a solid 20%+ tipper at restaurants. But waiters and waitresses aren’t part of a scam to destroy the lives of weak-minded and usually poor gambling addicts. Your average BJ dealer is an unattractive, unskilled person who has a ridiculously easy job and can’t or won’t do anything harder. I know the economy is poor, but they choose to work for evil people. They choose to take a job that has a negative effect on society. And I choose not to lift a finger to help them unless, of course, there’s something in it for me.

  • Blue Efficacy

     

    Quote: horse_johnson said:
    My local casino offers a game perfectly tailored to my limited BR, and in an attempt to keep that going I tipped quite liberally the last time I was there.

    That said, I hated doing it because I oppose tipping those suckers on principle. It’s not that I’m a miser who hates tipping. I’m a solid 20%+ tipper at restaurants. But waiters and waitresses aren’t part of a scam to destroy the lives of weak-minded and usually poor gambling addicts. Your average BJ dealer is an unattractive, unskilled person who has a ridiculously easy job and can’t or won’t do anything harder. I know the economy is poor, but they choose to work for evil people. They choose to take a job that has a negative effect on society. And I choose not to lift a finger to help them unless, of course, there’s something in it for me.

    Being a BJ dealer isn’t as easy as it looks.
    Also, in my experience their level of attractiveness and skill is all over the map.
    You take the casino away from the gambling addict, he will waste his money somewhere else.
    Most blackjack dealers don’t go to work with the intent to destroy lives.

  • The Chaperone

     

    Quote: horse_johnson said:
    My local casino offers a game perfectly tailored to my limited BR, and in an attempt to keep that going I tipped quite liberally the last time I was there.

    That said, I hated doing it because I oppose tipping those suckers on principle. It’s not that I’m a miser who hates tipping. I’m a solid 20%+ tipper at restaurants. But waiters and waitresses aren’t part of a scam to destroy the lives of weak-minded and usually poor gambling addicts. Your average BJ dealer is an unattractive, unskilled person who has a ridiculously easy job and can’t or won’t do anything harder. I know the economy is poor, but they choose to work for evil people. They choose to take a job that has a negative effect on society. And I choose not to lift a finger to help them unless, of course, there’s something in it for me.

    Couldn’t have said it better myself.

  • creeping panther

    Horse

    Quote: horse_johnson said:
    My local casino offers a game perfectly tailored to my limited BR, and in an attempt to keep that going I tipped quite liberally the last time I was there.

    That said, I hated doing it because I oppose tipping those suckers on principle. It’s not that I’m a miser who hates tipping. I’m a solid 20%+ tipper at restaurants. But waiters and waitresses aren’t part of a scam to destroy the lives of weak-minded and usually poor gambling addicts. Your average BJ dealer is an unattractive, unskilled person who has a ridiculously easy job and can’t or won’t do anything harder. I know the economy is poor, but they choose to work for evil people. They choose to take a job that has a negative effect on society. And I choose not to lift a finger to help them unless, of course, there’s something in it for me.

    Well said.

    CP

  • blackjackomaha

     

    Quote: horse_johnson said:
    My local casino offers a game perfectly tailored to my limited BR, and in an attempt to keep that going I tipped quite liberally the last time I was there.

    That said, I hated doing it because I oppose tipping those suckers on principle. It’s not that I’m a miser who hates tipping. I’m a solid 20%+ tipper at restaurants. But waiters and waitresses aren’t part of a scam to destroy the lives of weak-minded and usually poor gambling addicts. Your average BJ dealer is an unattractive, unskilled person who has a ridiculously easy job and can’t or won’t do anything harder. I know the economy is poor, but they choose to work for evil people. They choose to take a job that has a negative effect on society. And I choose not to lift a finger to help them unless, of course, there’s something in it for me.

    Agreed

    After the first toke to “test the waters,” I will not toke anymore unless there is some sort of pay off. However, once the dealer has shown he/she is willing to help through various means, small, strategic tokes help keep the game better than average.

    It gets even better when a ploppy joins and tokes pinks/reds and I don’t have to toke the rest of the night and take advantage of the continued rewards.

  • Shoofly

     

    Quote: blackjackomaha said:
    After the first toke to “test the waters,” I will not toke anymore unless there is some sort of pay off. However, once the dealer has shown he/she is willing to help through various means, small, strategic tokes help keep the game better than average.

    This appears to be treading very close to collusion. Better watch that.

  • FLASH1296

    A Devil’s Advocate Speaks Up:

    Like most of us, I disdain toking; however a dealer’s job is NOT easy.

    I imagine that the archetypal dealer feels this way:

    “I stand on my aching feet and have drunks blow smoke in my face as they blame me for the
    losses that they cannot afford. I have to cope with the shame and guilt, (for being a minion
    of a parasitic “gaming industry”), that percolates apace invading my dreams.

    Oh yeah, let us not forget that I have to listen to cacophonous clanging slot machines
    as I often stand behind an empty table, develop Carpal Tunnel Syndrome, work odd hours,
    (without benefits or job security), get abused by my imbecilic money-sweating
    supervisors, and earning no respect whatsoever from my family and friends — just pity.

    It is fine indeed that a handful of my brother/sister dealers work at the upscale stores
    like The Wynn or Bellagio, making upwards of $40 / hr. — but, like most of us,
    I am stuck here on this f*ck*n’ reservation, a slow train to nowhere, where I am
    making $15 an hour and haven’t even a medical plan, no less a pension or profit-sharing !

  • BrianCP

     

    My counter to the above post is simple, It’s better than cashiering at least.

    Being a cashier gets you a whopping minimum wage with no benefits! Not only do you also have to stand and scan random items for seven hours, you also get to twist and bag the items according the customer’s whims. Keep in mind, if you don’t go fast enough often enough, your supervisor will be informed by the machine you are manning! Big stores don’t let the customers tip anymore, why discourage business for a lowly cashier?

    Yeah, I was a cashier for two weeks once, could you tell? Being a dealer (even the above description) sounds so much better than that. I see no reason to resent them for paying the bills, but 15 bucks an hour plus tips seems like a good wage for a job that you don’t even need high school for.

  • FLASH1296

     

    Brian,

    That $15 includes minimum wage, and there are “sawdust joints” and truck-stops where an aggregate $10/hr. is the norm.

    Currently, in Atlantic City, as an example, depending on what casino a dealer works in, s/he will earn anywhere
    from roughly $16 to $23 an hour (sharply down from what it was in the 90’s), and the cost-of-living in N.J. is quite high.

    Monetary remuneration is just one factor that is involved re: job satisfaction. I became a full-time A.P. resigning from a job
    that payed just under 100K in salary / benefits in today’s dollars; but I despised even the 30 hr. work week that I was tied to.

  • Blue Efficacy

     

    Quote: Shoofly said:
    This appears to be treading very close to collusion. Better watch that.

    Dealers giving deep penetration is not, in fact, cheating. It may violate house procedure. But it would be purely the dealer’s ass in that case. Sure, you might not be welcome to play BJ anymore either, but it is extremely paranoid to make the jump to “collusion” when there is no actual cheating going on. If the dealer was willfully flashing the hole card, that may be a different story…

  • Shoofly

     

    Quote: Blue Efficacy said:
    Dealers giving deep penetration is not, in fact, cheating. It may violate house procedure. But it would be purely the dealer’s ass in that case. Sure, you might not be welcome to play BJ anymore either, but it is extremely paranoid to make the jump to “collusion” when there is no actual cheating going on. If the dealer was willfully flashing the hole card, that may be a different story…

    He didn’t specify deep penetration. He said “once the dealer has shown he/she is willing to help through various means”. How many “various means” can you think of that do not include collusion?

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