Laughlin Conditions

  • MasterofNone

    Laughlin Conditions

    Saw some old threads but looking for some current information on Laughlin conditions.

    Looking for a place to park myself for a few days with food (plus) comps for decent play. Not looking to break the bank or draw attention just looking to unwind. Room is already comped.

    I know Laughlin isn’t LV so BJ conditions won’t be optimal but any recommendations appreciated for 3-2 6 deck shoe games, low dollar, minimal spread, decent pen (if poss), surrender option.

    Regards, MoN

  • FLASH1296

     

    I doubt that you will be seeing Resplit Aces OR Late Surrender OR good pen anywhere in Laughlin.

    True, I have not been there in more than 2 years.

    Laughlin is an odd place as they really sweat Red Action there.

    Aces & Faces to ya’

  • Jack_Black

     

    I was there in December 2010.

    Why play shoe when almost every joint has 32 SD? I think I only saw 2 shoe games going on.

    I played reds and greens, and that has to be about the sweatiest town I’ve ever been in. Imagine if the sweaty spaniard was a resort destination. I played red on SD and had some small wins. Maybe $200, and that would get the PC’s attention at EVERY joint. you gotta start ratholing early or play short sessions. tripling your bet usually gets a pref shuffle if you’re playing green or higher. I played $5-50 and most dealers give you a dirty look but continue on, or do nothing at all.

  • shadroch

     

    Trop Express and River Palms has those vitual BJ machines where you and the table play against a video dealer. It’s 3-2, DA2,DAS, H17 with late surrender. A good thing is you earn points like on a slot machine, so playing a few hours gets you good comps, and same day cash. You can spread however you like, and no tipping the dealer. good for getting future mailings.
    Their live games are DD, H17, DA2, NDAS, no surrender and are sweaty.
    Pioneer has a good SD, but super sweaty.
    Harrahs had a nice DD with $25 minimums, but it’s been at least a year since I played there.

  • Albee

     

    Try the Golden Nugget. Decent games with minimal heat. Second choice would be Trop Express….they have heat, but not anything a little camo couldn’t hide.

  • Brock Windsor

     

    Head down to Don Laughlin’s Riverside and practice your drop-cut. That place is like stepping back in time… DeLorean included.
    -BW

  • FLASH1296

     

    Shadroch,

    You said …

    “Harrahs had a nice DD with $25 minimums, but it’s been at least a year since I played there.”

    When I was there, The sweating was utterly absurd.

    As soon as I bet $50 I was backed off by the shift manager.

    It took <5 minutes. I moved to the poker room; that had a crowd of retirees who were easily readable. Very profitable.

  • shadroch

     

    Quote: FLASH1296 said:
    Shadroch,

    You said …

    “Harrahs had a nice DD with $25 minimums, but it’s been at least a year since I played there.”

    When I was there, The sweating was utterly absurd.

    As soon as I bet $50 I was backed off by the shift manager.

    It took <5 minutes. I moved to the poker room; that had a crowd of retirees who were easily readable. Very profitable.

    But you are a Legend. The pit most certainly had you pegged before you sat down. I met up with another forumite and had no problem spreading 1-4 two years ago over Memorial Day weekend. I just don’t enjoy those stakes.

    A word of warning to the OP. The roads in Laughlin are all under construction. Both 163 ( the road down from Vegas) and Casino Drive are all ripped up and subject to closures and detours. It can be painful.

  • Dyepaintball12

     

    Quote: shadroch said:
    Trop Express and River Palms has those vitual BJ machines where you and the table play against a video dealer. It’s 3-2, DA2,DAS, H17 with late surrender. A good thing is you earn points like on a slot machine, so playing a few hours gets you good comps, and same day cash. You can spread however you like, and no tipping the dealer. good for getting future mailings.
    Their live games are DD, H17, DA2, NDAS, no surrender and are sweaty.
    Pioneer has a good SD, but super sweaty.
    Harrahs had a nice DD with $25 minimums, but it’s been at least a year since I played there.

    How does the Pen work on a machine like that?

  • shadroch

     

    Quote: Dyepaintball12 said:
    How does the Pen work on a machine like that?

    Thats the million dollar question.

  • Jack_Black

     

    Quote: Dyepaintball12 said:
    How does the Pen work on a machine like that?

    I have seen similar machines where it notes that the deck will be shuffled after each hand, FWIW. I would assume others would be in the same vein.

  • shadroch

     

    Quote: Jack_Black said:
    I have seen similar machines where it notes that the deck will be shuffled after each hand, FWIW. I would assume others would be in the same vein.

    I’ve never seen that on these machines. It states the machine uses six decks with a shuffle after 2/3rds are dealt, but identifying the shuttle point is not easy.

  • sagefr0g

     

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jack_Black View Post
    I have seen similar machines where it notes that the deck will be shuffled after each hand, FWIW. I would assume others would be in the same vein.
    Quote: shadroch said:
    I’ve never seen that on these machines. It states the machine uses six decks with a shuffle after 2/3rds are dealt, but identifying the shuttle point is not easy.

    as late as this april…..
    the Trop has both, errhh by both i mean machines that shuffle after every round ($1 denom) and machines that shuffle after 2/3rds six pack dealt ($2 &$3 denom)…… the rules are stated on the machines……
    but yeah, you can’t tell when the shuffle occurs far as i know.

  • shadroch

     

    Quote: sagefr0g said:
    as late as this april…..
    the Trop has both, errhh by both i mean machines that shuffle after every round ($1 denom) and machines that shuffle after 2/3rds six pack dealt ($2 &$3 denom)…… the rules are stated on the machines……
    but yeah, you can’t tell when the shuffle occurs far as i know.

    Where in the Trop are there Virtual BJ machines that shuffle after every round? The virtual let it ride, 3CP and Texas Hold Em games do, but all the BJ games are six deckers, unless they changed them since mid- Feb.

  • sagefr0g

     

    Quote: shadroch said:
    Where in the Trop are there Virtual BJ machines that shuffle after every round? The virtual let it ride, 3CP and Texas Hold Em games do, but all the BJ games are six deckers, unless they changed them since mid- Feb.

    yes they must have changed them shad……. the virtual bj machines at the Trop are arranged (along with the 3cp & let it ride machines) in a sort of oval configured area along side the table game area.
    one of the virtual bj machines was $1 denomination, that machine was configured to shuffle each round.
    the higher denomination virtual bj machines, errh, i believe they were $2 & $3, were configured to shuffle after 2/3 of a six deck pack was dealt.

    as a side note, i’ll just say i’ve seen $5 denomination virtual bj machines that are configured to shuffle each round at other joints in the mid-west, while others are configured to shuffle after 2/3 of a six deck pack have been dealt….. apparently these machines can be configured over a very wide array of rules & conditions.

  • shadroch

     

    Quote: sagefr0g said:
    yes they must have changed them shad……. the virtual bj machines at the Trop are arranged (along with the 3cp & let it ride machines) in a sort of oval configured area along side the table game area.
    one of the virtual bj machines was $1 denomination, that machine was configured to shuffle each round.
    the higher denomination virtual bj machines, errh, i believe they were $2 & $3, were configured to shuffle after 2/3 of a six deck pack was dealt.

    as a side note, i’ll just say i’ve seen $5 denomination virtual bj machines that are configured to shuffle each round at other joints in the mid-west, while others are configured to shuffle after 2/3 of a six deck pack have been dealt….. apparently these machines can be configured over a very wide array of rules & conditions.

    Damn.
    A H17, DA2,DAS, LS, SD game is just about break-even, isn’t it?

  • paddywhack

     

    Quote: shadroch said:
    Damn.
    A H17, DA2,DAS, LS, SD game is just about break-even, isn’t it?

    The answer may be THEORETICALLY correct but who knows what kinds of tricks are played.

    I know of a game which on appearance is even better but I have serious concerns after the time I’ve put in and the loss I’ve incurred.

  • shadroch

     

    Quote: paddywhack said:
    The answer may be THEORETICALLY correct but who knows what kinds of tricks are played.

    I know of a game which on appearance is even better but I have serious concerns after the time I’ve put in and the loss I’ve incurred.

    These are ShuffleMaster games being played in a licensed casino. I’d be much more worried about being cheated by a rogue dealer than by these machines.

  • sagefr0g

     

    Quote: shadroch said:
    Damn.
    A H17, DA2,DAS, LS, SD game is just about break-even, isn’t it?

    i’m pretty sure the shuffle after each round machine was six deck.
    funny you should say DAS, errhh i really can’t remember if those machines were DAS, errhh i think they were though…….. strange if they were in fact DAS as i wasn’t able to find a DAS bj table game in Laughlin…… a pit boss at the Trop told me there was only one joint in Laughlin that had DAS but i never determined which joint it was.

  • Jack_Black

     

    either way, 2/3 deck is still 66% pen. not worth counting, and actually worse off for you since the HE can now increase as the tens and aces come out of the shoe.

    oh yea, SD LS machines are about .10 HE. way better than playing JOB.

  • MasterofNone

     

    Quote: shadroch said:
    A word of warning to the OP. The roads in Laughlin are all under construction. Both 163 ( the road down from Vegas) and Casino Drive are all ripped up and subject to closures and detours. It can be painful.

    Thank you all for this and other advice/info.

    Regards, MoN

  • shadroch

     

    Quote: sagefr0g said:
    i’m pretty sure the shuffle after each round machine was six deck.
    funny you should say DAS, errhh i really can’t remember if those machines were DAS, errhh i think they were though…….. strange if they were in fact DAS as i wasn’t able to find a DAS bj table game in Laughlin…… a pit boss at the Trop told me there was only one joint in Laughlin that had DAS but i never determined which joint it was.

    These machines don’t mention DAS, so I always assumed they weren’t and adjusted my play acordingly. Of course, after about 3,000 hands, I actually got a hand I wanted to double after splitting and to my surprise, I was allowed to.

  • bj21abc

     

    IIRC, I have seen two types of Shufflemaster BJ machines –

    Both 6D, H17, LS, DAS – one was shuffle every hand, one was shuffle after 2/3 dealt. Of course, no way of knowing when.

    I posted a question about whether there was any way to gain a small extra edge by counting this (analogous to CSMs – perhaps resetting the count after every deck or so – no useful responses though…)

    D.

    Quote: sagefr0g said:
    i’m pretty sure the shuffle after each round machine was six deck.
    funny you should say DAS, errhh i really can’t remember if those machines were DAS, errhh i think they were though…….. strange if they were in fact DAS as i wasn’t able to find a DAS bj table game in Laughlin…… a pit boss at the Trop told me there was only one joint in Laughlin that had DAS but i never determined which joint it was.
  • irobinson

     

    When I played at Pioneer they would shuffle the single deck if you tried to spread more than 2x your minimum.

  • cyclist

    Updates on Laughlin?

    Hi Guys,

    Any updates on Laughlin conditions? I am looking to play SD/DD, curious about minimums and if there is any decent pen. Understand there is some heat there though…

    Thanks!

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