Quick Trip to Reno

  • matinex

    Quick Trip to Reno

    I’m new to the forums, and I just got back from a quick, 24-hour trip to Reno. I thought I’d share my thoughts on the place for anyone who’s interested.

    I should first say that I’m a tiny stakes ($5 unit) player with basic counting skills, so your mileage may vary.

    Where I Stayed: John Ascuaga’s Nugget. They were offering a $35.99 room with free upgrade to the Premier East Tower PLUS a free breakfast at the cafe and no “resort fee.” The room was fine, but in the middle of the night, I was awakened by an amazingly loud screeching sound, which I believe was coming from the rail yard across the way. I don’t know if that happens every night or what, but wow.

    Where I Played + Conditions
    I was all over the place. I wanted to try casinos I’d never played before. Here are my impressions.

    Boomtown: SD, $3 min, DOA
    I had friendly dealers and no heat. But that’s probably because I was a tiny stakes player with a 1-4 spread. I broke even.

    Siena: SD, $5 min, DOA
    Again, friendly dealers. But I was a big winner and I noticed the PB watching me a little. No real heat, but again, I’m small time. At 8:30am on a weekday, I was the only table game player in the entire casino.

    Rail City: SD, $3 min, DOA
    A little more crowded than the other places. Surly dealer who’s been around several long blocks. I won some money and then took off, never to return.

    Western Village: SD, $3 min, DOA
    Small crowd, friendly dealer. I won in the afternoon, but when I returned the next morning, the tables were closed. Not sure what time they open.

    Nugget: SD, DD, and 6-deck; $5 min-D10; $25 min-DOA
    In the evening, they only had one $5 SD table open, and it got a little crowded. I knew not do do much playing where I was staying, so I didn’t.

    Peppermill: SD-D10; DD and 6-deck, DOA; $5 min
    It’s a very nice place with friendly dealers. Slightly more crowded than the other places. The rules are below average for Reno.

    Overall: I’ve always really enjoyed Reno, but I didn’t realize how badly it’s struggling. Maybe because I was there on a weekday, but boy was it dead, dead, dead. There were times when I was literally the only person playing a table game. But since I was just there to play, I had a great time.

    My favorite spot was Siena, but if I were a higher-stakes player, I’m sure I would have been sweated. But that probably would have been the case no matter where I played.

    That’s all I have. If you have any questions, I’d be happy to try and answer them.

    Matinex

  • bj bob

     

    Sounds like you got a pretty good taste of the town. Like that SD,DOA, huh? You won’t get too much hassle with your $5-20 spread as long as you don’t make a fixture of yourself. The only things I see you missed were the “Big Three” on No. Va. Street” the Circus, Legacy and El Dorado. It never hurts to sign up for their comp cards. Finally, try to stay away from the Siena when it’s dead. The place is a “fish bowl” the eye has nothing else to look for, just degenerates and card counters.

  • matinex

    Reno

    I actually used to be very familiar with Reno back in the 90s. I liked Harold’s Club (noticed that in your signature) and Fitzgeralds, both long gone. This time, I wanted to avoid the Virginia Street casinos because I used to go there a lot back in the day. I also skipped Atlantis, which I’m very familiar with.

    You’re right about Siena. I would have gotten serious heat because the place is so dead. The dealers said its pretty much dead all the time. But the current owner got it for a song so it may still last a while.

  • bj bob

     

    Quote: matinex said:
    I actually used to be very familiar with Reno back in the 90s. I liked Harold’s Club (noticed that in your signature) and Fitzgeralds, both long gone. This time, I wanted to avoid the Virginia Street casinos because I used to go there a lot back in the day. I also skipped Atlantis, which I’m very familiar with.

    You’re right about Siena. I would have gotten serious heat because the place is so dead. The dealers said its pretty much dead all the time. But the current owner got it for a song so it may still last a while.

    If that’s the case all that’s left is the Grand Sierra out on Glendale tpwards Sparks and the Sands Regency, a few blocks west of Va. on 4th Street. Just be careful there after dark. They offer D-9 on DD.

  • Albee

     

    Nice report……thanks for taking the time to share. Reno has some good games at your stakes and more. Seems like you nailed more than a few places in the short time you were there.

  • matinex

    Penetration

    Zengrifter asked about penetration. As another poster put it after his trip to Reno, it was very dealer-dependent: 50% – 70% from what I could tell. I’m not experienced at tracking penetration, though. Heads up, I feel like I got 7-8 hands in sometimes; other times, more like 5-6. The few times I played with three other players, we sometimes could only get two rounds in before the shuffle, which caused me to bail as quickly as I could. Tipping may have gotten me another hand during plus situations.

    Sorry I can’t be more helpful.

  • Wookets

     

    Quote: matinex said:
    I’m not experienced at tracking penetration, though.

    If you don’t have a good eye for estimation, simply count the number of cards dealt before the shuffle. On SD and DD, it shouldn’t take long at all.

  • LVBear584

    Comments

    Heads up, I feel like I got 7-8 hands in sometimes; other times, more like 5-6.

    It is imperative that you count rounds when playing single deck.

    Single Deck Game Selection

    http://www.bj21.com/bj_reference/pages/singledeckgameselection.shtml

    The few times I played with three other players, we sometimes could only get two rounds in before the shuffle, which caused me to bail as quickly as I could.

    You should not even be sitting there with more than one player, except in extreme circumstances at stakes much higher than you reported. You were wasting your time.

    Tipping may have gotten me another hand during plus situations.

    Respectfully, you cannot afford to tip at your present stakes.

    Red chip players cannot afford to tip

    http://www.bj21.com/boards/free/free_board/index.cgi?noframes;read=141717

    The following may be helpful in Reno. It is old, but still mostly correct:

    Counting cards in Reno – General Guide for new players

    http://www.bj21.com/boards/free/free_board/index.cgi?noframes;read=162654

    Watch out for Sands Regency cheating. In fairness, the below incident was under previous, now bankrupt, ownership. However, some of the same dishonest employees are still there.

    http://www.sweatthemoney.com/sands1.html

  • AR Nick

     

    Quote: zengrifter said:
    Tell us %pene on each. zg

    As OP posted, Reno tends to be dealer-dependent with about 50% to 70%. However, I’d like to add that at El Dorado, in the pointlessly-named high limit room, I’ve played with a dealer that dealt about 90%. He quite literally dealt until it was impossible to deal another hand with the cards remaining. I came to find out it’s not standard for them, but I’d nonetheless recommend keeping an eye out if you’re in the area. El Dorado, as far as blackjack is concerned, is the only one of the connected three casinos downtown that deserves your time anyway.

  • BJLFS

     

    Quote: AR Nick said:
    As OP posted, Reno tends to be dealer-dependent with about 50% to 70%. However, I’d like to add that at El Dorado, in the pointlessly-named high limit room, I’ve played with a dealer that dealt about 90%. He quite literally dealt until it was impossible to deal another hand with the cards remaining. I came to find out it’s not standard for them, but I’d nonetheless recommend keeping an eye out if you’re in the area. El Dorado, as far as blackjack is concerned, is the only one of the connected three casinos downtown that deserves your time anyway.

    How about The Silver Legacy?

    BTW doesn’t El Dorado still hand shuffle?

  • aslan

     

    Quote: matinex said:
    I’m new to the forums, and I just got back from a quick, 24-hour trip to Reno. I thought I’d share my thoughts on the place for anyone who’s interested.

    I should first say that I’m a tiny stakes ($5 unit) player with basic counting skills, so your mileage may vary.

    Where I Stayed: John Ascuaga’s Nugget. They were offering a $35.99 room with free upgrade to the Premier East Tower PLUS a free breakfast at the cafe and no “resort fee.” The room was fine, but in the middle of the night, I was awakened by an amazingly loud screeching sound, which I believe was coming from the rail yard across the way. I don’t know if that happens every night or what, but wow.

    Where I Played + Conditions
    I was all over the place. I wanted to try casinos I’d never played before. Here are my impressions.

    Boomtown: SD, $3 min, DOA
    I had friendly dealers and no heat. But that’s probably because I was a tiny stakes player with a 1-4 spread. I broke even.

    Siena: SD, $5 min, DOA
    Again, friendly dealers. But I was a big winner and I noticed the PB watching me a little. No real heat, but again, I’m small time. At 8:30am on a weekday, I was the only table game player in the entire casino.

    Rail City: SD, $3 min, DOA
    A little more crowded than the other places. Surly dealer who’s been around several long blocks. I won some money and then took off, never to return.

    Western Village: SD, $3 min, DOA
    Small crowd, friendly dealer. I won in the afternoon, but when I returned the next morning, the tables were closed. Not sure what time they open.

    Nugget: SD, DD, and 6-deck; $5 min-D10; $25 min-DOA
    In the evening, they only had one $5 SD table open, and it got a little crowded. I knew not do do much playing where I was staying, so I didn’t.

    Peppermill: SD-D10; DD and 6-deck, DOA; $5 min
    It’s a very nice place with friendly dealers. Slightly more crowded than the other places. The rules are below average for Reno.

    Overall: I’ve always really enjoyed Reno, but I didn’t realize how badly it’s struggling. Maybe because I was there on a weekday, but boy was it dead, dead, dead. There were times when I was literally the only person playing a table game. But since I was just there to play, I had a great time.

    My favorite spot was Siena, but if I were a higher-stakes player, I’m sure I would have been sweated. But that probably would have been the case no matter where I played.

    That’s all I have. If you have any questions, I’d be happy to try and answer them.

    Matinex

    Do they still have the buffet at the Nugget? The cafe is not bad at all. Did they have any poker games going? What was the single deck game like there, rules and pen?

  • AR Nick

     

    Quote: BJLFS said:
    How about The Silver Legacy?

    BTW doesn’t El Dorado still hand shuffle?

    Silver Legacy has mediocre (by Reno standards) rules, but they do have FPDW machines. Said machines are right next to the entrance of SL that is right across the road from the entrance to ED that is right next to the high limit room with the occasional deep dealers.

    To mix things up and avoid becoming a fixture, I usually bounce back and forth between the two while downtown.

    As for El Dorado hand shuffling, I think I remember them using ASMs last time I was there. I’m back in Reno this coming week, so I’ll double check that for you.

    EDIT: Scratch what I said about Silver Legacy having mediocre rules. They’re flat out poo poo.

    Quote:
    Their single deck games are D10, NDAS, and about 50% pen.

    From an older thread of mine.

    EDIT again: But what I said about their FPDW machines still stands. Easy money if you’re a grinder.

  • matinex

     

    Quote:
    Do they still have the buffet at the Nugget? The cafe is not bad at all. Did they have any poker games going? What was the single deck game like there, rules and pen?

    Yes, they still have the buffet, but I believe it’s only open Thurs through Sunday (I might have that confused with one of the other restaurants).

    As I mentioned in my report, the low-limit single-deck tables at the Nugget offer double on 10/11, plus all the other standard Reno rules (H17, no RSA, no DAS). The double-deck and 6-deck games offered double-on-anything. And I think the $25 table offered the same, but I didn’t really investigate that.

    Since I was staying there, I really didn’t play for very long, so I don’t have more details. There’s another Reno trip report here in the forums that might have more of what you’re looking for.

  • 21gunsalute

     

    Quote: AR Nick said:
    Silver Legacy has mediocre (by Reno standards) rules, but they do have FPDW machines. Said machines are right next to the entrance of SL that is right across the road from the entrance to ED that is right next to the high limit room with the occasional deep dealers.

    To mix things up and avoid becoming a fixture, I usually bounce back and forth between the two while downtown.

    As for El Dorado hand shuffling, I think I remember them using ASMs last time I was there. I’m back in Reno this coming week, so I’ll double check that for you.

    EDIT: Scratch what I said about Silver Legacy having mediocre rules. They’re flat out poo poo.

    From an older thread of mine.

    EDIT again: But what I said about their FPDW machines still stands. Easy money if you’re a grinder.

    What’s FPDW?

  • tthree

     

    Quote: 21gunsalute said:
    What’s FPDW?

    Full pay deuces wild?

  • AR Nick

     

    Correct. With the right strategy, it’s a great way to make money, albeit being a bit of a grind. It has none of the heat or high variance of blackjack, nor any of the frustrating suckouts or hands upon hands of folding pre-flop of poker. It’s not gonna make you a millionaire, but it’s perfect for some filler.

    Again, that’s at Silver Legacy just next to the Virginia and 5th Street entrance, and at Boomtown, where you’ll see a large sign over the machines stating their payback percentage (usually with a frighteningly low number of ploppies taking the bait).

  • Caesar

    Full-play deuces wild

    I bet these are old, low- denomination machines. Not sure if these machines are even manufactured anymore.
    They are still at a few Vegas casinos, but their days are numbered.

  • bj bob

     

    Quote: AR Nick said:
    Correct. With the right strategy, it’s a great way to make money, albeit being a bit of a grind. It has none of the heat or high variance of blackjack, nor any of the frustrating suckouts or hands upon hands of folding pre-flop of poker. It’s not gonna make you a millionaire, but it’s perfect for some filler.

    Again, that’s at Silver Legacy just next to the Virginia and E Street entrance, and at Boomtown, where you’ll see a large sign over the machines stating their payback percentage (usually with a frighteningly low number of ploppies taking the bait).

    There is no ‘E” Street entrance at the Legacy. You must mean 5th

  • AR Nick

     

    Quote: bj bob said:
    There is no ‘E” Street entrance at the Legacy. You must mean 5th

    Quite correct. My memory betrays me.

    Quote: Caesar said:
    I bet these are old, low- denomination machines. Not sure if these machines are even manufactured anymore.
    They are still at a few Vegas casinos, but their days are numbered.

    They’re 25c, 5 coin machines, for a total of $1.25 per bet. You’re correct, though. I don’t think they’ll be around much longer, and not because of APs either. I have no idea why this is, but even in Boomtown, where they’re accompanied by a large sign saying more than 100% payback, there are never any ploppies there.

  • bobstaman

     

    I recently went to Silver Legacy and searched for the FPDW machines and could only find the “Not So Ugly Ducks” Deuces Wild machines. When did you last see them and where were they?

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