three card poker cover

  • Ferretnparrot

    three card poker cover

    Iv been on a three card poker kick lately, how paranoid should I be while playing three card poker? Should I say, leave as soon as a releif dealer comes in then not come back? Assuming I’m not doing anything rediculous to stand out, do casinos actively scout players at three card poker tables to watch how they play their hands?

    Should I play rated or not?

    How pissed off do casinos get if I get caught? More poed than CC at bj or less?

  • Tarzan

    You lost me at "3 card poker"

    Ferret, this is a carnival game of the worst kind with a roughly 5 1/2% house advantage (I believe, correct me if I’m wrong) if you play to include the pair plus bet. Play rated? OF COURSE! Are you kidding me???? It’s an unbeatable game with a juicy HA. “Coverplay” for WHAT? You have me a bit confused here…

  • Machinist

     

    Quote: Tarzan said:
    Ferret, this is a carnival game of the worst kind with a roughly 5 1/2% house advantage (I believe, correct me if I’m wrong) if you play to include the pair plus bet. Play rated? OF COURSE! Are you kidding me???? It’s an unbeatable game with a juicy HA. “Coverplay” for WHAT? You have me a bit confused here…

    X2 Ferret, this game is dead i tell ya…………dead!!!!!!! Plenty has been posted about this game.
    Ferret don’t be a robot, have fun with this game, be the ploppy……
    Basically you are playing “coverplay” for your BJ games…….
    Just do some searches……….this subject has been beat to hell and back!!!
    Machinist

  • 21forme

     

    I’m assuming Ferret is only playing it with information, based on his being an AP, as well as the comment about the relief dealer.

    In answer to your question, Ferret, I typically receive or make a phone call when the dealers change. If I tend to play the same dealer, over and over, I will play a few hands either just before he/she gets to the table or stay for a few hands after change. I usually cut my bet (black to green), citing the change in the flow from the new dealer, Then after losing 2 hands in a row, say my luck has changed and leave.

    If you find the game being watched closely, leave, both for your longevity and to lessen the likelihood of dealer retraining.

  • Sucker

     

    Quote: johndoe said:
    If you’re playing the game you have plenty of EV to ride it out through relief. Eat the small loss.

    Not a small loss. This game is very punitive when played on the square. To follow this advice will result in giving back 25-35% of your profit. Find some other way. Or better yet, find a game with double action.

  • mjbballar23

     

    Double action is my favorite. ..I wouldnt sit through relief on this stupid game, especially not with big bets.

  • johndoe

     

    Right, I forgot how thin the profit is compared to more “conventional” special games, and how much it slants back.

    And don’t forget about the extreme variance..

  • Automatic Monkey

     

    Quote: Ferretnparrot said:
    Iv been on a three card poker kick lately, how paranoid should I be while playing three card poker? Should I say, leave as soon as a releif dealer comes in then not come back? Assuming I’m not doing anything rediculous to stand out, do casinos actively scout players at three card poker tables to watch how they play their hands?

    Should I play rated or not?

    How pissed off do casinos get if I get caught? More poed than CC at bj or less?

    If you are playing it where I think you’re playing it, you won’t get in any serious trouble.

    But there is one thing nearly 100% of ploppies do that no OCP AP does like a ploppy does, and that is instantly visible. So if your bets are big enough you might want to consider doing that thing to a smaller degree, to make it less noticeable.

    Being OCP isn’t that good of a game anyway (slow, high variance) you might want to consider limiting it- one shift per store per day. Get caught, and you run the risk of that dealer being unavailable forever- corrected, fired, or moved to a different game. So the dealer change might be a good time to end your shift anyway.

  • blackriver

     

    i inspect at least 1/day while walking around and never see what yall are talkin about. i here thats how it is, you just cant see it until you can see it. does being 6′ tall make this too difficult? what % of dealers can you holecard?

  • Machinist

     

    Quote: Automatic Monkey said:
    If you are playing it where I think you’re playing it, you won’t get in any serious trouble.

    But there is one thing nearly 100% of ploppies do that no OCP AP does like a ploppy does, and that is instantly visible. So if your bets are big enough you might want to consider doing that thing to a smaller degree, to make it less noticeable.

    Being OCP isn’t that good of a game anyway (slow, high variance) you might want to consider limiting it- one shift per store per day. Get caught, and you run the risk of that dealer being unavailable forever- corrected, fired, or moved to a different game. So the dealer change might be a good time to end your shift anyway.

    X2 on the doing that thingy that all ploppies do and ocp players dont do.
    Sometimes that gamehas a progressive side bet too for a buck…..Either or helps….

    Machinist

  • WRX

     

    OCP is not a game at which you can afford to give back a lot of your edge. When played in a casino with low limits, and other factors that are less than ideal, it’s just not that valuable. A lot of things all have to be right at the same time for OCP to be really profitable. It’s not a game at which you’re going to get rich playing on a small bankroll. There are a lot of times you should pass up an OCP game for a better opportunity.

    This in part echos what Sucker was saying.

    Still, it’s often better than counting cards at blackjack.

    And that’s all I’m saying about that.

  • Martin Gayle

     

    Quote: Ferretnparrot said:
    Iv been on a three card poker kick lately, how paranoid should I be while playing three card poker? Should I say, leave as soon as a releif dealer comes in then not come back? Assuming I’m not doing anything rediculous to stand out, do casinos actively scout players at three card poker tables to watch how they play their hands?

    Should I play rated or not?

    How pissed off do casinos get if I get caught? More poed than CC at bj or less?

    Hit it as hard as you can as fast as you can for as much as you can.

    If you don’t, tell me where you play and I will hit it as hard as I can as fast as I can for as much as I can.

    Get my drift?

  • Wookets

     

    Whatever you do, please don’t leave the table the instant relief is on multiple times. Just check the time and take a bathroom break 2-3 minutes before relief’s arrival.

  • Jack_Black

     

    Well Geeeeeeeee, let’s all let the cat out of the bag on this one.

    Every idiot, mom and pop, two bit, low rate casino owner knows how important it is to protect your BJ game from HC, next card, ST, etc. and quite a few know about VP/machine promo abuse. Only a few medium sized joints know how vulnerable 3cp is. but lets help them all out here on this thread.

    If bjinfo is truly the net’s most popular/trafficked website, what the hell are we doing if we’re giving away secrets to everyone? Not to say that I prefer GC, but they at least put some effort into vetting forum members. BUT, I will say there are quite a few gems of info and work over there that I just haven’t found on this site.

  • flyingwind

     

    delete this thread? delete all threads on OCP?
    why is it called OCP anyway?

  • Ferretnparrot

     

    I don’t think its a huge deal, WoO. Has a whole page about it.

    Why is it called OCP?

    If we are worried about “sensitive” informations why don’t we make a sensitive information section that’s not public, and you have to be an exhisting memebr and like voted in or something by other members.

  • 21forme

     

    I believe Mr. CAA coined the term OCP, as it’s a one-card game.

    Mr. _Black, you’re getting way too bent out of shape about this. As already pointed out, all the needed info is readily available on a popular web site.

    Also, OCP is a brutal game due to its high variance. Many who primarily HC avoid the game like the plague. One HCer I know refers to playing OCP as gambling. Unless you play a ton of it or have a team playing so you get a lot of play, I believe he’s right.

  • Southpaw

     

    As I’ve learned recently, there are many factors that would make this game better to be passed up, even when it is 100%.

    There are other opportunities with much higher edge and lower heat. You probably think that you’re akin to James Bond playing this game, but this game gets a lot more attention than you’d think.

    Spaw

  • SWFL Blackjack

     

    I would say forget cover.

  • Jack_Black

     

    Quote: 21forme said:
    Mr. _Black, you’re getting way too bent out of shape about this. As already pointed out, all the needed info is readily available on a popular web site.

    Also, OCP is a brutal game due to its high variance. Many who primarily HC avoid the game like the plague. One HCer I know refers to playing OCP as gambling. Unless you play a ton of it or have a team playing so you get a lot of play, I believe he’s right.

    Brilliant. as if one popular site having the info isn’t enough, let’s make it two popular sites. Not to say that Ocp is my favorite game, but it’s to say that I prefer not helping casinos protect their games.

    some variance figures:

    OCP 2.89
    UTH 23.12
    JOB 19.5
    FPDW 25.8
    FPDDB 45.58

    so only OCP is considered gambling huh?

  • 21forme

     

    Quote: Jack_Black said:
    OCP 2.89
    UTH 23.12
    JOB 19.5
    FPDW 25.8
    FPDDB 45.58

    so only OCP is considered gambling huh?

    Don’t know where you got that number, but I believe it’s WAAAAY off.

  • PonyPrincess

     

    Quote: Jack_Black said:
    Brilliant. as if one popular site having the info isn’t enough, let’s make it two popular sites. Not to say that Ocp is my favorite game, but it’s to say that I prefer not helping casinos protect their games.

    some variance figures:

    OCP 2.89
    UTH 23.12
    JOB 19.5
    FPDW 25.8
    FPDDB 45.58

    so only OCP is considered gambling huh?

    A big difference is I could play 1200 hands of vp an hour for 20hrs, if I had to. I agree with Jack_Black though but also realistically you could find more than what’s posted here just by searching old threads.

  • mjbballar23

     

    Quote: Jack_Black said:
    Brilliant. as if one popular site having the info isn’t enough, let’s make it two popular sites. Not to say that Ocp is my favorite game, but it’s to say that I prefer not helping casinos protect their games.

    some variance figures:

    OCP 2.89
    UTH 23.12
    JOB 19.5
    FPDW 25.8
    FPDDB 45.58

    so only OCP is considered gambling huh?

    Jack_Black

    someday i hope you can look back on this post and realize how silly it is.

    You seem to have some sort of infatuation with ocp. When longevity is not taken into account, i pretty much consider it on the same level of a good counting game. Throw in some errors, full table, and any time played on relief and your looking at a pretty shitastic game.

  • Jack_Black

     

    Quote: 21forme said:
    Don’t know where you got that number, but I believe it’s WAAAAY off.

    WHY do you always assume I’m wrong? For the past year that I’ve known you, you just always assume I must be wrong. If you believe it’s WAAAAY off, then why aren’t you proving me wrong with formulas and/or citations? You just BELIEVE I’m wrong and so it must be true?

    Where do you think I got these numbers? Do you think I spend my time reading John Patrick’s books?

    You have the book I’m using, look it up.

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