Seattle BJ Survey

  • WABJ11

    Seattle BJ Survey

    Anyone currently have a survey of BJ for Seattle area casinos?

    I know Goldies has a DD game, Club Hollywood, Roxy’s and Magic Lanes. Am I missing any other good games in the Seattle area?

    Let me know via PM.

    THanks

  • WABJ11

     

    Cant get my hands on it. Besides the best information comes from people who have actually been and played at the casino’s games.

  • handymn

    CBJN Seattle

    Reporting on CBJN in Seattle assuredly comes from those who have been in the casinos and played the games.

  • handymn

     

    Not ethical for anyone to give you a free copy. There’s a lot of work that goes into putting that report together each month. They are one of the good guys so you should support them by paying $13 to get a copy like everyone else does (including me). You’ll make it up with a couple of match plays.

  • prankster

     

    It’s a bargain,for sure.Go to BJ21.com to subscribe or order a single copy.

  • Blue Efficacy

     

    CBJN is a joke in my experience.

    Why not just help the poor guy out instead of advising him to waste money?

  • prankster

     

    I’ve always gotten a tremendous amount of valuable information from copies I purchased. Also,it’s not a big expenditure-do you think? I mean really!

  • WABJ11

     

    Quote: prankster said:
    Wow.

    Obviously I meant that as a sarcastic comment. But seriously I thought this forum was for card counters to come together and communicate, not advertise for some publication.

  • prankster

     

    it’s not advertising, it’s good advice.

  • creeping panther

    Good guys?

    Quote: handymn said:
    Not ethical for anyone to give you a free copy. There’s a lot of work that goes into putting that report together each month. They are one of the good guys so you should support them by paying $13 to get a copy like everyone else does (including me). You’ll make it up with a couple of match plays.

    BS!

    The work is done by suck-ups in the field that get paid almost nothing to ruin games and Mr. Wong, the dice controller, makes all the profit.

    CP.

  • Diver

    and perhaps a little hoarding?

    Quote: creeping panther said:
    BS!

    The work is done by suck-ups in the field that get paid almost nothing to ruin games and Mr. Wong, the dice controller, makes all the profit.
    CP.

    I’m interested in seeing if the very beneficial changes in a LV game are reported in the newest release. Previously, it took several months before a change I reported (about a no longer exisiting game) were published. Still, I find the publication useful as a starting point in some areas, although it’s clearly out of date in your neck of the woods.

  • Mimosine

     

    I buy CBJN about once every 8 months. It’s worth the $13. I use it to scope house edge then do my own legwork for PEN. Very few people who do their own leg work on the best games are just going to share it with strangers. However, if you do some of your own, then you have something to trade via PM.

    5 months ago I went to seattle. CBJN was invaluable for that trip. PEN is never accurate, but all the conditions listed were otherwise correct. That eliminated about 1/2 of the casinos in the area and allowed me to play some good games in the limited amount of time i had there. If you have an email address and a credit card you can have a copy of CBJN in about 30 minutes.

  • sevencard2003

     

    am thinking of moving to seattle, and of course my roll isnt much over $3000 and will mostly be needed for low stakes poker games.

    but where can i find a good shoe game (i hate single and double decks–with the 6-5 payouts everywhere-and the dealer always shuffling on u if u raise the bet) in a shoe they dont shuffle til they hit the shuffle point–no matter how much u bet–and often its over 75% of the way down. most 1-2 decks are shuffled around 50% or when the bet is raised.

    i want a shoe game with the cut card put way down–and a minimum bet of $1 $2 or $3 instead of $5 for those of us on a small bankroll and thrilled to win $50 or so a day slowly grinding it up. any suggestions as to casinos to visit? also i enjoy cardrooms more than casinos.

  • Diver

     

    Quote: sevencard2003 said:
    am thinking of moving to seattle, and of course my roll isnt much over $3000 and will mostly be needed for low stakes poker games.

    but where can i find a good shoe game (i hate single and double decks–with the 6-5 payouts everywhere-and the dealer always shuffling on u if u raise the bet) in a shoe they dont shuffle til they hit the shuffle point–no matter how much u bet–and often its over 75% of the way down. most 1-2 decks are shuffled around 50% or when the bet is raised.

    i want a shoe game with the cut card put way down–and a minimum bet of $1 $2 or $3 instead of $5 for those of us on a small bankroll and thrilled to win $50 or so a day slowly grinding it up. any suggestions as to casinos to visit? also i enjoy cardrooms more than casinos.

    You’ll find a good number of card rooms from Tacoma to Everett with the conditions and stakes you like for 6D shoes. The area casinos generally have marginal to poor 6D games. A single issue of CBJN will help you zero in on locales.

  • NightStalker

    cbjn

    is a waste of money(in my opinion).. It not only hides the great game, but misguide buyers by faking the great games as not playable.. I am aware of many juicy games which are intentionally reported as unplayable in cbjn for months till they are burnt. After all information is provided/printed by APs who never willing to share their business. I totally agree that cbjn is too cheap to afford, and is maintained/published by respectable guys. But the information is mostly stale and disguised.. I’ll better search casino names and rely on some trusted information from friends or self-check.

    For every question, there is an answer AND there is an advertisement. Poster mostly appreciate the answer

  • EmeraldCityBJ

     

    As a CBJN reporter for the Seattle area, I offer the following:

    • The information reported is accurate as of the time of my last visit.
    • If I find a juicy promo or a game that is too good to be true, I will play it myself rather than report it in a way which will bring in a bunch of high stakes out of town APs who are going to quickly burn the game out. Likewise, I don’t expect anyone in other regions to tell me about their best games in a broad publication. I can and do share this sort of information privately.
    • The biggest benefit of CBJN is to give you a comparison of the various casinos in an area. The rules and house edges are usually accurate. The table limits offered give you some idea of what sort of action the casino expects. Penetration may not be accurate, but if Casino A is reported as cutting 1.5 decks and Casino B is reported as cutting 2.0 decks, in the vast majority of cases, the penetration will be better at Casino A even if the exact numbers reported are wrong. When travelling to an area, CBJN is a great tool to help you determine where to prioritize your time.
  • suicyco maniac

     

    Personally I would find it kinda unethical to be paid to do a job and then only do the parts of that job I felt like doing. Obviously it is not in your best interest (or most likely the best interest of the entire AP community) to put strong promos or games in CBJN. If you are only getting paid 5-10 bucks and find a promo that is worth 5 figures it makes perfect sense why you wouldn’t include it but ethically I think its wrong. This is one of the reasons I’ve never been a paid CBJN reporter. There have been other strong promos listed before and I’ve even questioned Al about why an AP would report it or even why Al would list it. Basically he said something along the lines of they are being paid to perform a duty and they do what they are supposed to.

    All that being said you are doing the right thing by not putting strong games in CBJN and playing them yourself

  • Dyepaintball12

     

    You have to read CBJN with a grain of salt. I went to Vegas in August and immediately purchased the August CBJN. I found a lot of the information about pen to be wrong, but it could be dealer dependent. I went in and scoured to find games that I read about but such tables do not exist.

    That being said, I think it is a very valuable publication that I will continue to use

  • NightStalker

    There are always pros and cons

    It’s totally acceptable that juicy promos need not to be listed on cbjn. But it should be clearly printed on CBJN so that buyer is aware of that.
    There are numerous occasions where I trusted CBJN blindly and skipped some of the juicy games on my way. I’m not pointing to Seattle region, I’ve seen this in other regions.

    Overall, it is a source of valuable information listing all casino hours, table min,max and rules which are mostly accurate and I am willing to pay price for these gaming conditions…

    I’ve two suggestions to make:
    1) Add a disclaimer – “Juicy games may not be reported”.
    2) Add month of reporting for every casino instead of every area.
    3) In case you are hiding the new changes for a specific casino, DON’T UPDATE the month of reporting. Let the stale information stay on MARKED as stale.. (this will not stop buyer for doing self-exploration and will not invite out of state APs)

  • EmeraldCityBJ

     

    Quote: suicyco maniac said:
    Personally I would find it kinda unethical to be paid to do a job and then only do the parts of that job I felt like doing. Obviously it is not in your best interest (or most likely the best interest of the entire AP community) to put strong promos or games in CBJN.

    Excellent points, and I want to clarify that I will not accept payment for reporting inaccurate or incomplete information. If a certain casino has a blackjack game/promo which is “too good” for publication, I will exclude the entire casino from my report. Reporters are paid per casino, and therefore, I receive no payment if I choose to not report on a certain casino.

  • EmeraldCityBJ

     

    Quote: NightStalker said:
    I’ve two suggestions to make:
    1) Add a disclaimer – “Juicy games may not be reported”.
    2) Add month of reporting for every casino instead of every area.
    3) In case you are hiding the new changes for a specific casino, DON’T UPDATE the month of reporting. Let the stale information stay on MARKED as stale.. (this will not stop buyer for doing self-exploration and will not invite out of state APs)

    A better place to suggest these changes is on the CBJN message boards on bj21.com.

    I recall that there was discussion of adding the “last updated month” on a per casino basis, and I don’t remember all the reasons they decided not to include this information. As a reporter, I personally prefer things the way they are. There are places I only visit once every 3-4 months (they always have lousy games, I’ve been backed off there recently, etc.), and I don’t necessarily want the month I made my last visit to be public knowledge. This cannot be avoided for small regions which only have one or two casinos, but this is not as much of a concern since I’m not necessarily given credit for reporting on these smaller areas. For a large region like Seattle which has dozens of listings, it’s to my benefit if the casinos cannot tell when I last visited each individual location.

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