Going Postal at Blackjack

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Being a postal worker, with a lot of stress, channeled my anger into winning at blackjack. I felt like "Going Postal" at times for 23 years in that hostile environment. I was a recovering hi-lo loser at 21 before I discovered my ten count 20 years ago. Yes, the same hi-lo used by the suckers at MIT in the movie 21. The chumps at MIT went bankrupt according to the History Channel's "Breaking Vegas." I was also disgruntled with "The Book" written by recognized blackjack authorities. Everybody seems to refer to "the book." "The book" didn't help me. The Ten Count in the original book "Beat The Dealer(1962)" by Edward O. Thorp was morphed into High-Low in the 1966 edition as the best count. High-low was changed to hi-lo by future authors. A revision that has sent many to the cleaners. The Ten Count has been ignored until now.

In the summer of 2007, my wife and I stayed at Harvey's as we do every summer. Her cousin who has been a resident of South Lake Tahoe since 1976 visited us in our room. He brought his wife, son, and an old friend of his. His friend was named Joe. When he introduced us, he said Joe was the casino manager of Harvey's, but now retired. I looked at him and knew him right away. I worked at Harvey's in 1979. They laid me off because of the gas crisis then. Last one hired, first one fired. I told Joe this and he was shocked. He asked the name of the shift manager at that time. I said his name and Joe believed me. I told him it was a blessing because I moved on to deal the best craps games in Las Vegas. I was pissed that I had to leave Lake Tahoe and my dreams were crushed. For payback of my layoff, I used my Ten Count in 1992 at Harvey's and crushed them at single deck blackjack. Joe was surprised that I got away with it under his watch. I spread $5-$150 and only made big bets when the hi-lo count was negative and the Ten Count showed positive blackjack expectation. I assumed the eye in the sky used hi-lo to evaluate blackjack skill. I won $4000 in 6 hours of nonstop play. This fooled his bosses, and Joe was dismayed.

Our conversation changed to Ed Thorp. Since Joe was the casino manager at the time, I asked him about Thorp's story in "Beat The Dealer(1962)" about Harvey's. Thorp wrote on page 112, "In two hours we broke the bank again. The great heaps of chips in front of us included more than $17,000 in profits. I had won about $6,000 and Mr. X, betting wildly, had won $11,000. I was tiring rapidly. The aftereffects of our huge dinner, the increased effort in managing two hands, and the strain of the last few days were telling. I began to find it very difficult to count properly and saw that Mr. X was equally far gone. I insisted that we quit, and I cashed in my $6,000." Joe's eyes lit up and said,"I threw that bum out of here and you know what he did? He hugged me and kissed me and said thank you!" I asked him about Mr. X and Joe said that he was a known player and let Mr. X play on. Thorp was backed off by Joe instead of "insisting that we quit" as written in "Beat The Dealer." It was surreal spending that afternoon with a part of blackjack history. To hear the untold story of Thorp's adventure at Harvey's with the casino manager who we both beat under his nose.

My Ten Count is an upgrade of Thorp's Ten Count. The non-tens(except aces) are +1, tens are -2. With more tens( plus count ) and aces left, the chances of receiving blackjacks increase. 8's and 9's are side counted for basic strategy deviations. I managed to be barred all over Nevada using my method. Betting with my head, not over it. You can brag to your friends and family about the fear the casinos will have of you if you play perfect. If six 7's, 8's, or 9's and three 2-6's with four face cards are played at a heads up single deck game, we have the advantage. The chance of being dealt a blackjack rises to 6.47% instead of the 4.83% off the top. And we can calculate perfect insurance from a Ten Count that doesn't include aces. The aces are side counted, giving us perfect blackjack frequency prediction and insurance. The hi-lo count is -1 and the eye in the sky will think we are nuts to make a big bet. I employed this method in the 90's at Reno and Lake Tahoe. Played untouched for seven years. The pit and eye thought I was a long term loser. I laughed all the way to the bank.

I use combinatorial analysis and a calculator which is more accurate than computer sims. Using subsets really shows the power of my Ten Count over hi-lo. For example, we are playing two hands heads up at single deck. Our first hand is A,A and the second is A,9. The dealer shows an ace and asks for insurance. The hi-lo count is -4, not an insurable count. My Ten Count differs because taking insurance is a positive expectation event in this situation. +1 with four aces gone with less than 1/4 deck played takes about +3.5 and above to gain the insurance advantage. 4 aces and +1 equals +5, we take the insurance while the hi-lo counter misses out and is clueless. Here is an another example. At double deck with 26 cards(1/2 deck)played, the count is -10 with 6 aces played and no 8,9's have come out. We have 14-16 vs 7,8 for the dealer. Basic Strategy says to hit, so the hi-lo sheep hit and go bust. My Ten Count says stay because we will bust more, leaving the dealer to bust. Asymmetry of 8,9's with a dealer 7,8 upcard produces more stiffs for the dealer. We buck the tide by standing on 14-16 vs 7,8 leaving the dealer to bust more often. To understand more about the imbalance of cards read Chapter 10 of "Playing Blackjack To Win" by Baldwin, Cantey, Maisel, McDermott. My Ten Count using side counts arguably displaces the Hi-OptII count by Lance Humble as the best count ever.

What about shuffle tracking? If all the dealers shuffle the cards in the exact manner, then yes, the 6 deck shoe can be shuffle tracked. You map out the shuffle and practice it at home. First turn 39 cards over at the bottom. Track where they end up at the end of the shuffle. Then do the next 39 cards and repeat to the last 39 cards. You will know where the slugs of tens and aces are in every shoe. [Segment deleted by Sonny] They say "What Happens In Vegas, Stays in Vegas." Not in this article.

My Ten Count dominates because it takes advantage of asymmetry situations from the side counting of aces, 8's, and 9's. Combinatorial analysis with subsets and a calculator was needed to confirm its power. Blackjack computer simulation is insufficient. The casino executives and book/sim sellers who read this will wrongly say that my Ten Count is very weak, very weak, you who do not drink the casino Kool-Aid will dominate. The hi-lo count is endorsed by "Da Man" or the casino industry. Do they have our interests at heart? No way! I got away with fooling Reno/Tahoe for 7 years in the 90's because of the difference of my blackjack count from hi-lo and other counts.

In January 1997, I was barred from playing 21 after winning 4K at the New York-New York six deck game in Las Vegas. I thought the 4K win would be peanuts. I assumed Vegas was a class town and winning a few thousand wouldn't ruffle any feathers. I played for 13 straight hours spreading $25-$300. They kept giving me free beer. I was having a good time and was polite. I worked my tail off at the post office and did not expect harrassment from Las Vegas casinos for just counting. Like they say, "Out of the frying pan, into the fire." My picture was faxed to every major casino property surveillance department throughout the Surveillance Information Network (SIN for short) in Nevada. My picture is also in every Facial Recognition Software on the Strip. In the commercials for the World Series Of Poker, Gary Loveman(CEO of Harrah's Entertainment) states, " Bet with your head, not over it and gamble responsibly." It is sort of like the Phillip Morris commercials discouraging smoking. My blackjack method flies in the face of conventional blackjack advantage thinking. So if I can't play on a regular basis, others like you can carry the torch.

JSTAT (Dead link: http://twitter.com/moviejjcasino)
 
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Cherry7Up

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#2
Too much information

This post mentions a particular house as having a vulnerable shuffle. This identifying information should be removed--particularly if true.
 

Sonny

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#3
Cherry7Up said:
This post mentions a particular house as having a vulnerable shuffle. This identifying information should be removed--particularly if true.
There are a lot of things that should be removed from that post, but I'll settle for the specific shuffle info. The rest has been discussed (ad nauseam) in other threads and on other sites.

-Sonny-
 

EasyRhino

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#4
I don't necessarily think anything in the original post is a good idea, but I like the idea of wearing a postal uniform into the casino.

At double deck with 26 cards(1/2 deck)played, the count is -10 with 6 aces played and no 8,9's have come out. We have 14-16 vs 7,8 for the dealer
In this scenario, wasn't at least one 8 just played, in the dealer's hand? Also, how do you know what the dealer's hand is, anyway? Can I play there?
 
#5
EasyRhino said:
I don't necessarily think anything in the original post is a good idea, but I like the idea of wearing a postal uniform into the casino.


In this scenario, wasn't at least one 8 just played, in the dealer's hand? Also, how do you know what the dealer's hand is, anyway? Can I play there?
Tens counts have their place. With certain sidebets in play they will outperform a lot of the more common counts.
 

johndoe

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#6
Automatic Monkey said:
Tens counts have their place. With certain sidebets in play they will outperform a lot of the more common counts.
That's probably true, but JSTAT's count has been been thoroughly debunked here and elsewhere, and his continuing assertion that "hi-lo" is "for suckers" is laughable. Why he insists on continuing to post about it is baffling.
 

bjtocki

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#7
Trying to hype it up to sell some kind of beating the casino system? I am currently training with Wong Halves, but if you can prove that your system is better, then I will buy it! :grin:
 

callipygian

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#8
johndoe said:
JSTAT's count has been been thoroughly debunked here and elsewhere, and his continuing assertion that "hi-lo" is "for suckers" is laughable. Why he insists on continuing to post about it is baffling.
Oh, I remember this guy now. I remember reading a post and thinking, "lol spambot" but then he replied and got really mad at the responses.
 
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johndoe said:
That's probably true, but JSTAT's count has been been thoroughly debunked here and elsewhere, and his continuing assertion that "hi-lo" is "for suckers" is laughable. Why he insists on continuing to post about it is baffling.
Oddly, I was just posting about this count in the East Coast section. It's called the Archer Count or the Fry Count (one or the other, can't remember) and there's nothing new about it, just probably not as good as High-Low in most cases.
 

johndoe

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callipygian said:
Oh, I remember this guy now. I remember reading a post and thinking, "lol spambot" but then he replied and got really mad at the responses.
Yep. He's also the one who claimed that BJ couldn't be accurately simulated, and that the simulators were crap, because the one he tried had mysteriously left out the "5"'s! (CVDATA, in demo mode.. lol) And also that systems like hi-lo were casino-sponsored, designed to make AP's fail.

Old threads:

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=13086

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=13507&page=3
 
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Automatic Monkey said:
Oddly, I was just posting about this count in the East Coast section. It's called the Archer Count or the Fry Count (one or the other, can't remember) and there's nothing new about it, just probably not as good as High-Low in most cases.
The Archer Counts counts the aces as +1. Again, my Ten Count doesn't use the ace in its primary count. The aces are side counted! The evidence that was presented in the "Going Postal at Blackjack" post has not been "defrocked." Only mocked. My private messages from members in this group have been concerned hi-lo players. They don't want be called "spambots" or "laughable", so they don't post.

The shuffle tracking part of the essay was so good and helpful for the players, the moderator censored some of it. Damn the players! Are the moderators in bed with Da Man or the casino industry or High-Low book industry?:whip: Do they have our interests in mind? I posted this essay last week on Anthony Curtis' Las Vegas Advisor's "Vegas-Free for-All" message board. It received a better reception than here, with close to 1k views. Some of this essay was from the friendly interchanges with them. I'm sure many of the closet members of bjinfo agree we me, but are reluctant to post in fear of the slings and arrows from the usual suspects. "Going Postal at Blackjack" is geared for the silent majority at bjinfo., not the vocal minority with the loud bullhorns.

JSTAT
 
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MAZ

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JSTAT said:
Being a postal worker, with a lot of stress, channeled my anger into winning at blackjack. I felt like "Going Postal" at times for 23 years in that hostile environment. I was a recovering hi-lo loser at 21 before I discovered my ten count 20 years ago. Yes, the same hi-lo used by the suckers at MIT in the movie 21. The chumps at MIT went bankrupt according to the History Channel's "Breaking Vegas." I was also disgruntled with "The Book" written by recognized blackjack authorities. Everybody seems to refer to "the book." "The book" didn't help me. The Ten Count in the original book "Beat The Dealer(1962)" by Edward O. Thorp was morphed into High-Low in the 1966 edition as the best count. High-low was changed to hi-lo by future authors. A revision that has sent many to the cleaners. The Ten Count has been ignored until now.

In the summer of 2007, my wife and I stayed at Harvey's as we do every summer. Her cousin who has been a resident of South Lake Tahoe since 1976 visited us in our room. He brought his wife, son, and an old friend of his. His friend was named Joe. When he introduced us, he said Joe was the casino manager of Harvey's, but now retired. I looked at him and knew him right away. I worked at Harvey's in 1979. They laid me off because of the gas crisis then. Last one hired, first one fired. I told Joe this and he was shocked. He asked the name of the shift manager at that time. I said his name and Joe believed me. I told him it was a blessing because I moved on to deal the best craps games in Las Vegas. I was pissed that I had to leave Lake Tahoe and my dreams were crushed. For payback of my layoff, I used my Ten Count in 1992 at Harvey's and crushed them at single deck blackjack. Joe was surprised that I got away with it under his watch. I spread $5-$150 and only made big bets when the hi-lo count was negative and the Ten Count showed positive blackjack expectation. I assumed the eye in the sky used hi-lo to evaluate blackjack skill. I won $4000 in 6 hours of nonstop play. This fooled his bosses, and Joe was dismayed.

Our conversation changed to Ed Thorp. Since Joe was the casino manager at the time, I asked him about Thorp's story in "Beat The Dealer(1962)" about Harvey's. Thorp wrote on page 112, "In two hours we broke the bank again. The great heaps of chips in front of us included more than $17,000 in profits. I had won about $6,000 and Mr. X, betting wildly, had won $11,000. I was tiring rapidly. The aftereffects of our huge dinner, the increased effort in managing two hands, and the strain of the last few days were telling. I began to find it very difficult to count properly and saw that Mr. X was equally far gone. I insisted that we quit, and I cashed in my $6,000." Joe's eyes lit up and said,"I threw that bum out of here and you know what he did? He hugged me and kissed me and said thank you!" I asked him about Mr. X and Joe said that he was a known player and let Mr. X play on. Thorp was backed off by Joe instead of "insisting that we quit" as written in "Beat The Dealer." It was surreal spending that afternoon with a part of blackjack history. To hear the untold story of Thorp's adventure at Harvey's with the casino manager who we both beat under his nose.

My Ten Count is an upgrade of Thorp's Ten Count. The non-tens(except aces) are +1, tens are -2. With more tens( plus count ) and aces left, the chances of receiving blackjacks increase. 8's and 9's are side counted for basic strategy deviations. I managed to be barred all over Nevada using my method. Betting with my head, not over it. You can brag to your friends and family about the fear the casinos will have of you if you play perfect. If six 7's, 8's, or 9's and three 2-6's with four face cards are played at a heads up single deck game, we have the advantage. The chance of being dealt a blackjack rises to 6.47% instead of the 4.83% off the top. And we can calculate perfect insurance from a Ten Count that doesn't include aces. The aces are side counted, giving us perfect blackjack frequency prediction and insurance. The hi-lo count is -1 and the eye in the sky will think we are nuts to make a big bet. I employed this method in the 90's at Reno and Lake Tahoe. Played untouched for seven years. The pit and eye thought I was a long term loser. I laughed all the way to the bank.

I use combinatorial analysis and a calculator which is more accurate than computer sims. Using subsets really shows the power of my Ten Count over hi-lo. For example, we are playing two hands heads up at single deck. Our first hand is A,A and the second is A,9. The dealer shows an ace and asks for insurance. The hi-lo count is -4, not an insurable count. My Ten Count differs because taking insurance is a positive expectation event in this situation. +1 with four aces gone with less than 1/4 deck played takes about +3.5 and above to gain the insurance advantage. 4 aces and +1 equals +5, we take the insurance while the hi-lo counter misses out and is clueless. Here is an another example. At double deck with 26 cards(1/2 deck)played, the count is -10 with 6 aces played and no 8,9's have come out. We have 14-16 vs 7,8 for the dealer. Basic Strategy says to hit, so the hi-lo sheep hit and go bust. My Ten Count says stay because we will bust more, leaving the dealer to bust. Asymmetry of 8,9's with a dealer 7,8 upcard produces more stiffs for the dealer. We buck the tide by standing on 14-16 vs 7,8 leaving the dealer to bust more often. To understand more about the imbalance of cards read Chapter 10 of "Playing Blackjack To Win" by Baldwin, Cantey, Maisel, McDermott. My Ten Count using side counts arguably displaces the Hi-OptII count by Lance Humble as the best count ever.

What about shuffle tracking? If all the dealers shuffle the cards in the exact manner, then yes, the 6 deck shoe can be shuffle tracked. You map out the shuffle and practice it at home. First turn 39 cards over at the bottom. Track where they end up at the end of the shuffle. Then do the next 39 cards and repeat to the last 39 cards. You will know where the slugs of tens and aces are in every shoe. [Segment deleted by Sonny] They say "What Happens In Vegas, Stays in Vegas." Not in this article.

My Ten Count dominates because it takes advantage of asymmetry situations from the side counting of aces, 8's, and 9's. Combinatorial analysis with subsets and a calculator was needed to confirm its power. Blackjack computer simulation is insufficient. The casino executives and book/sim sellers who read this will wrongly say that my Ten Count is very weak, very weak, you who do not drink the casino Kool-Aid will dominate. The hi-lo count is endorsed by "Da Man" or the casino industry. Do they have our interests at heart? No way! I got away with fooling Reno/Tahoe for 7 years in the 90's because of the difference of my blackjack count from hi-lo and other counts.

In January 1997, I was barred from playing 21 after winning 4K at the New York-New York six deck game in Las Vegas. I thought the 4K win would be peanuts. I assumed Vegas was a class town and winning a few thousand wouldn't ruffle any feathers. I played for 13 straight hours spreading $25-$300. They kept giving me free beer. I was having a good time and was polite. I worked my tail off at the post office and did not expect harrassment from Las Vegas casinos for just counting. Like they say, "Out of the frying pan, into the fire." My picture was faxed to every major casino property surveillance department throughout the Surveillance Information Network (SIN for short) in Nevada. My picture is also in every Facial Recognition Software on the Strip. In the commercials for the World Series Of Poker, Gary Loveman(CEO of Harrah's Entertainment) states, " Bet with your head, not over it and gamble responsibly." It is sort of like the Phillip Morris commercials discouraging smoking. My blackjack method flies in the face of conventional blackjack advantage thinking. So if I can't play on a regular basis, others like you can carry the torch.

JSTAT (Dead link: http://twitter.com/moviejjcasino)
Oh did you say something, I dozed off during your riveting story. Tell me more about your exploits of winning a few thousand dollars............its soooo interesting. I've tipped more to the bathroom attendant then you've won or will ever win your lifetime. But please keep up with the stories its a sure cure for my insomnia.
 

RingyDingy

Well-Known Member
#14
thinking....

there is one positive that has come out of Jstat, is that he has made me analyse my current counting methods to the N(th) degree and do more calculations than i've ever done before, mainly to make up my own mind as to why his count isnt as good as my current counting method.

Needless to say, There are a few other positives, if his count isnt as good, doesnt that put more people at the casino tables making it easier for those who can count to blend in? - perhaps there is a EV number on that? :p

in the washup, Jstat, give it a bone will you, you've been debunked, myth busted, shown the error of your ways more times than I have had hot dinners, stop peddling your inferior quality hash.

cheers

Ringy.
 
#15
johndoe said:
For those curious, or new folks:

http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/w-agora/view.php?site=bjf&bn=bjf_forum&key=1212894021

Of course, JSTAT deleted pretty much all of his posts at that forum, so the thread is a bit hard to follow, but the conclusions are easy to understand.

JSTATII is about half as effective as hi-lo.
The issues of the essay (below) have gone unanswered. Some obscure link is the best evidence that can be provided? "Going Postal at Blackjack" is a work in progress. With good debate, this essay will improve with input from this group.

Going Postal at Blackjack
Being a postal worker, with a lot of stress, channeled my anger into winning at blackjack. I felt like "Going Postal" at times for 23 years in that hostile environment. I was a recovering hi-lo loser at 21 before I discovered my ten count 20 years ago. Yes, the same hi-lo used by the suckers at MIT in the movie 21. The chumps at MIT went bankrupt according to the History Channel's "Breaking Vegas." I was also disgruntled with "The Book" written by recognized blackjack authorities. Everybody seems to refer to "the book." "The book" didn't help me. The Ten Count in the original book "Beat The Dealer(1962)" by Edward O. Thorp was morphed into High-Low in the 1966 edition as the best count. High-low was changed to hi-lo by future authors. A revision that has sent many to the cleaners. The Ten Count has been ignored until now.

In the summer of 2007, my wife and I stayed at Harvey's as we do every summer. Her cousin who has been a resident of South Lake Tahoe since 1976 visited us in our room. He brought his wife, son, and an old friend of his. His friend was named Joe. When he introduced us, he said Joe was the casino manager of Harvey's, but now retired. I looked at him and knew him right away. I worked at Harvey's in 1979. They laid me off because of the gas crisis then. Last one hired, first one fired. I told Joe this and he was shocked. He asked the name of the shift manager at that time. I said his name and Joe believed me. I told him it was a blessing because I moved on to deal the best craps games in Las Vegas. I was pissed that I had to leave Lake Tahoe and my dreams were crushed. For payback of my layoff, I used my Ten Count in 1992 at Harvey's and crushed them at single deck blackjack. Joe was surprised that I got away with it under his watch. I spread $5-$150 and only made big bets when the hi-lo count was negative and the Ten Count showed positive blackjack expectation. I assumed the eye in the sky used hi-lo to evaluate blackjack skill. I won $4000 in 6 hours of nonstop play. This fooled his bosses, and Joe was dismayed.

Our conversation changed to Ed Thorp. Since Joe was the casino manager at the time, I asked him about Thorp's story in "Beat The Dealer(1962)" about Harvey's. Thorp wrote on page 112, "In two hours we broke the bank again. The great heaps of chips in front of us included more than $17,000 in profits. I had won about $6,000 and Mr. X, betting wildly, had won $11,000. I was tiring rapidly. The aftereffects of our huge dinner, the increased effort in managing two hands, and the strain of the last few days were telling. I began to find it very difficult to count properly and saw that Mr. X was equally far gone. I insisted that we quit, and I cashed in my $6,000." Joe's eyes lit up and said,"I threw that bum out of here and you know what he did? He hugged me and kissed me and said thank you!" I asked him about Mr. X and Joe said that he was a known player and let Mr. X play on. Thorp was backed off by Joe instead of "insisting that we quit" as written in "Beat The Dealer." It was surreal spending that afternoon with a part of blackjack history. To hear the untold story of Thorp's adventure at Harvey's with the casino manager who we both beat under his nose.

My Ten Count is an upgrade of Thorp's Ten Count. The non-tens(except aces) are +1, tens are -2. With more tens( plus count ) and aces left, the chances of receiving blackjacks increase. 8's and 9's are side counted for basic strategy deviations. I managed to be barred all over Nevada using my method. Betting with my head, not over it. You can brag to your friends and family about the fear the casinos will have of you if you play perfect. If six 7's, 8's, or 9's and three 2-6's with four face cards are played at a heads up single deck game, we have the advantage. The chance of being dealt a blackjack rises to 6.47% instead of the 4.83% off the top. And we can calculate perfect insurance from a Ten Count that doesn't include aces. The aces are side counted, giving us perfect blackjack frequency prediction and insurance. The hi-lo count is -1 and the eye in the sky will think we are nuts to make a big bet. I employed this method in the 90's at Reno and Lake Tahoe. Played untouched for seven years. The pit and eye thought I was a long term loser. I laughed all the way to the bank.

I use combinatorial analysis and a calculator which is more accurate than computer sims. Using subsets really shows the power of my Ten Count over hi-lo. For example, we are playing two hands heads up at single deck. Our first hand is A,A and the second is A,9. The dealer shows an ace and asks for insurance. The hi-lo count is -4, not an insurable count. My Ten Count differs because taking insurance is a positive expectation event in this situation. +1 with four aces gone with less than 1/4 deck played takes about +3.5 and above to gain the insurance advantage. 4 aces and +1 equals +5, we take the insurance while the hi-lo counter misses out and is clueless. Here is an another example. At double deck with 26 cards(1/2 deck)played, the count is -10 with 6 aces played and no 8,9's have come out. We have 14-16 vs 7,8 for the dealer. Basic Strategy says to hit, so the hi-lo sheep hit and go bust. My Ten Count says stay because we will bust more, leaving the dealer to bust. Asymmetry of 8,9's with a dealer 7,8 upcard produces more stiffs for the dealer. We buck the tide by standing on 14-16 vs 7,8 leaving the dealer to bust more often. To understand more about the imbalance of cards read Chapter 10 of "Playing Blackjack To Win" by Baldwin, Cantey, Maisel, McDermott. My Ten Count using side counts arguably displaces the Hi-OptII count by Lance Humble as the best count ever.

What about shuffle tracking? If all the dealers shuffle the cards in the exact manner, then yes, the 6 deck shoe can be shuffle tracked. You map out the shuffle and practice it at home. First turn 39 cards over at the bottom. Track where they end up at the end of the shuffle. Then do the next 39 cards and repeat to the last 39 cards. You will know where the slugs of tens and aces are in every shoe. [Segment deleted by Sonny] They say "What Happens In Vegas, Stays in Vegas." Not in this article.

My Ten Count dominates because it takes advantage of asymmetry situations from the side counting of aces, 8's, and 9's. Combinatorial analysis with subsets and a calculator was needed to confirm its power. Blackjack computer simulation is insufficient. The casino executives and book/sim sellers who read this will wrongly say that my Ten Count is very weak, very weak, you who do not drink the casino Kool-Aid will dominate. The hi-lo count is endorsed by "Da Man" or the casino industry. Do they have our interests at heart? No way! I got away with fooling Reno/Tahoe for 7 years in the 90's because of the difference of my blackjack count from hi-lo and other counts.

In January 1997, I was barred from playing 21 after winning 4K at the New York-New York six deck game in Las Vegas. I thought the 4K win would be peanuts. I assumed Vegas was a class town and winning a few thousand wouldn't ruffle any feathers. I played for 13 straight hours spreading $25-$300. They kept giving me free beer. I was having a good time and was polite. I worked my tail off at the post office and did not expect harrassment from Las Vegas casinos for just counting. Like they say, "Out of the frying pan, into the fire." My picture was faxed to every major casino property surveillance department throughout the Surveillance Information Network (SIN for short) in Nevada. My picture is also in every Facial Recognition Software on the Strip. In the commercials for the World Series Of Poker, Gary Loveman(CEO of Harrah's Entertainment) states, " Bet with your head, not over it and gamble responsibly." It is sort of like the Phillip Morris commercials discouraging smoking. My blackjack method flies in the face of conventional blackjack advantage thinking. So if I can't play on a regular basis, others like you can carry the torch.

JSTAT (Dead link: http://twitter.com/moviejjcasino)
 
#16
RingyDingy said:
there is one positive that has come out of Jstat, is that he has made me analyse my current counting methods to the N(th) degree and do more calculations than i've ever done before, mainly to make up my own mind as to why his count isnt as good as my current counting method.

Needless to say, There are a few other positives, if his count isnt as good, doesnt that put more people at the casino tables making it easier for those who can count to blend in? - perhaps there is a EV number on that? :p

in the washup, Jstat, give it a bone will you, you've been debunked, myth busted, shown the error of your ways more times than I have had hot dinners, stop peddling your inferior quality hash.

cheers

Ringy.
"Going Postal at Blackjack" hasn't been debunked. The merits of the essay can stand on its own. If anything can be proven wrong, it will be changed. The Ten Count in the essay is free, no charge. Nothing to peddle.

JSTAT
 

RingyDingy

Well-Known Member
#17
JSTAT said:
I managed to be barred all over Nevada using my method. Betting with my head, not over it.
Question:
Exactly how many places have you been barred at?

And since when is that an indicator of the strength of your count?
Perhaps its just that you walk in there and don't offer any cover or have a lousy act?

I bet I could get barred in every casino in Nevada :) :cool2:
 

RingyDingy

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JSTAT said:
"Going Postal at Blackjack" hasn't been debunked. The merits of the essay can stand on its own. If anything can be proven wrong, it will be changed. The Ten Count in the essay is free, no charge. Nothing to peddle.

JSTAT

Ok I am cool with that, here is your challenge, PROVE to me that your ten count is better than Hi-Lo.
 
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RingyDingy said:
Ok I am cool with that, here is your challenge, PROVE to me that your ten count is better than Hi-Lo.
The "Going Postal at Blackjack" essay proves that the Ten Count in the piece is better than Hi-Lo with simple math. "My Ten Count is an upgrade of Thorp's Ten Count. The non-tens(except aces) are +1, tens are -2. With more tens( plus count ) and aces left, the chances of receiving blackjacks increase. 8's and 9's are side counted for basic strategy deviations. I managed to be barred all over Nevada using my method. Betting with my head, not over it. You can brag to your friends and family about the fear the casinos will have of you if you play perfect. If six 7's, 8's, or 9's and three 2-6's with four face cards are played at a heads up single deck game, we have the advantage. The chance of being dealt a blackjack rises to 6.47% instead of the 4.83% off the top. And we can calculate perfect insurance from a Ten Count that doesn't include aces. The aces are side counted, giving us perfect blackjack frequency prediction and insurance. The hi-lo count is -1 and the eye in the sky will think we are nuts to make a big bet. I employed this method in the 90's at Reno and Lake Tahoe. Played untouched for seven years. The pit and eye thought I was a long term loser. I laughed all the way to the bank."

JSTAT
 
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RingyDingy said:
Question:
Exactly how many places have you been barred at?

And since when is that an indicator of the strength of your count?
Perhaps its just that you walk in there and don't offer any cover or have a lousy act?

I bet I could get barred in every casino in Nevada :) :cool2:
I got away with fooling Reno/Tahoe for 7 years in the 90's because of the difference of my blackjack count from hi-lo and other counts.
I spread $5-$150 and only made big bets when the hi-lo count was negative and the Ten Count showed positive blackjack expectation. I assumed the eye in the sky used hi-lo to evaluate blackjack skill.

In January 1997, I was barred from playing 21 after winning 4K at the New York-New York six deck game in Las Vegas. I thought the 4K win would be peanuts. I assumed Vegas was a class town and winning a few thousand wouldn't ruffle any feathers. I played for 13 straight hours spreading $25-$300. They kept giving me free beer. I was having a good time and was polite. I worked my tail off at the post office and did not expect harrassment from Las Vegas casinos for just counting. Like they say, "Out of the frying pan, into the fire." My picture was faxed to every major casino property surveillance department throughout the Surveillance Information Network (SIN for short) in Nevada. My picture is also in every Facial Recognition Software on the Strip. In the commercials for the World Series Of Poker, Gary Loveman(CEO of Harrah's Entertainment) states, " Bet with your head, not over it and gamble responsibly." It is sort of like the Phillip Morris commercials discouraging smoking. My blackjack method flies in the face of conventional blackjack advantage thinking.

JSTAT
 
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