How Long Are Your Sessions?

Greetings,

How long do you limit your sessions to? My understanding is in general, sessions should be limited to 45 min to 1 hour on 6D shoes or until the end of the shoe when your max bet has been reached. How about for Green at a Southern Casino?

Thanks in advance,

FD

Is Green spread 1:12 over two hands (of $150 each) at a large Southern Casino enough info (without being too property specific)?

I think on a shoe game multiple hour sessions can be tolerated as monster bets come out not that often......

pitch games require more heat acumen ..

Finn

There is really no simple answer since there are so many variables. Ian Anderson, ever heard of him?

Do not limit yourself, do not hold back because of some beliefs that many believe are written in granite.

The main idea is to play to win. Your SKILLZ and the games YOU PICK to play will rule all.

It is not important if the casino will view you as a threat or not, what is important is**** are you winning?

I can play shoe games and DD games where with a 1-4 spread I can kill the casino, with regularity. Now granted, a 1-4 spread to me is not what it may mean to you. If you are winning and the casino checks they will know you are counting in short order, you cannot hide it. But what if the casino is unskilled or just plain lazy, or has laid off the skilled Eyes because of budget cuts, that is a variable to take into consideration.

One of the best AP's around, a famous fellow, uses as his cover an addicted, out of control gambler, an amazing act to watch, scary really, but be pulls it off and gets away with murder.

Play and think outside the box, lead.... don't follow.

CP

Actually it was from Burning The Tables 2nd Edition where I got the 45 min to 1 hour or till you max bet comes up.


Can you expand on this AP, or advise what I should read?

Thanks for your help.

FD

I limit my sessions in the following manner.

1.) wong out at count of -1 (1st time is bathroom break, 2nd end of session)

2.) end session after any shoe ending in max bet. This illiminates the need to return to minimum bet after a large bet and helps with your comp average as the last bet seen was large.

3.) if neither of first 2 has occured, after 1 hour. (I rarely make it to #3)

If #1 or #2 has occurred, you mean you find another table to get a full hour in--and not to change shops after just #1 or #2 has occurred, right?

I do. I didn't mean to imply that I change casino's each time I get up from the table. I just end that session at that table.

In a shoe game, if you find yourself at the end of the shoe with a big bet out, leaving the table or casino can be a very compelling option. Otherwise, your options are to leave a big bet out at the beginning of the next shuffle (which costs you money) or reduce your bet, which could look suspicious. Plus, large bets at end of shoes don't come along that quickly.

Life is one long session.

My own personal rules have served me well. Ofcourse each store is different and but as a general rule I observe this:

Pitch games: (SD 1-4 spread; DD 1-6 spread)

1) 45 min or less and or,
2) Leave when I lose or double 40 units (but stay no longer than 45 min.)

Shoe games: (1-12 spread)

1) 2 hours or less and or,
2) Leave when I lose 40 units or double 80 units (but stay no longer than 2 hours)

I realize I don't get in many hours in one store but these rules have given me much longevity; and that to me is the most important.

My style of play is apparently unique.

I rarely stay more than 30 min at any table and usually stay less than 15.

Wong in at a slightly positive count and buy in for 2-3 bets:
(1) If you lose and the count goes down, leave.
(2) If you win and the count goes down, leave a min bet out until you lose, and then leave.
(3) If you lose and the count goes up, rebuy.
(4) If you win and the count goes up, push all-in.

Why bother playing negative (or even neutral) counts, ever, in a high-density place like Las Vegas?

Why not wait till TC +2 (is that too obvious)?

Thanks,

FD

I have never understood the notion of limits on a session by # units won or lost, SD padres. In a shoe game, those max bet opportunities happen so infrequently, that when I get one, I'm not walking away before the shoe is complete as long as the count remains high. with a 12-1 spread as you suggusted, you could easily lose 36 units in one split/doubledown hand. Why would you leave this very favorable playing situation??

Because it's more than twice as hard to wait for TC +2 than it is to wait for TC +1. Hands/hr goes way down if you wait for TC +2; your win rate is comparable at TC +1 and TC +2.

I like the above wagering method posted by Callipygian alot! I have always bought in for 4 or 5 hundred doallrs when playing a $25 unit. My reasoning being that I wanted sufficent chips to wager more if the count begins to rise. I dont like to miss any opportunity to "get the money out during higher counts". I have always felt it was a bit suspicious to then play 2 or 3 hand and walk aways with a handful of chips when the count tanks. Callipygian's simple solution, of buying in for only a few units solves this. I think I will now employ this. You can always buy in for more as the count warrents! Only drawback would be this senario. 1.) buy in for $100 (4units) 2.) lose 3 hand. 1 unit remaining. 3.) count rises to point where I would normally bet 4 units. question: would it seem suspicious to buy more chips at this point to place a larger wager?? I wouldn't want to only wager the remaining 1 unit, before buying in again.

It's called "face time"and I have never ever been backed off. I will glady let those opportunites slip away and fly under the radar. I realize I miss out on situations that are profitable but I am always welcomed back the next day.

understood. It wasn't my intent to criticize. I just don't like to pass up those rare max bet opportunities.