Arguments While Playing BJ

[smooth191988]

So I'm not a huge gambler, not more than once a month. I'm 20 and live about 30 minutes from Caesars in Canada, so its not that bad of a ride. I find that people start getting very aggressive when you sit down at "their" table even after asking the players. I was playing a table for about an hour with the min set at $25 and was going back and forth between betting min and some random amount. There was this older guy that would randomly come to the table throw $100 down on a hand and walk away. Well they were resetting the decks and I was going to sit out on the first couple play's (never have luck) and this old guy says "are you playing or what" I said "nope" and he says "****ing jack ass" and walks away. I understand that people may be counting cards and needs you in the hand, but I had half a nerve to punch this guy old or not.

I ended up walking away up $1100 and this guys like "dumb sob, why color out" I just walked away and hes jumps up and walks to another table.

This happens almost every time, its like these people expect you to play when they say and if you dont they get bitchy about it.

I know that I'm just a "lucky" player in their eyes but how do you guys deal with these kinds of people without getting kicked out?

[moo321]

Next time, call the floor over and tell them that this guy is treating you abusively.

Unless you were counting cards, in which case you need to get used to abuse, and do as little as possible in response.

[SleightOfHand]

Originally Posted by moo321

Next time, call the floor over and tell them that this guy is treating you abusively.

Unless you were counting cards, in which case you need to get used to abuse, and do as little as possible in response.

Judging from his lack of knowledge of card counting, I would assume hes not a counter. The other person has no right to tell you how to count cards. If he gets angry and starts yelling, call over a pit boss or whoever and if he doesn't calm down, HE will be the one kicked out.

[Mimosine]

best thing with people like this, especially if you are young is to IGNORE it. do your best to bite your tongue. a casino isn't a grocery store or your local GAP. a lot of the people inside aren't the type you would want to start an altercation with.

if someone threatens you, then by all means contact security immediately.

if it gets too bad, the best thing would be for YOU to find a different table. i'm a slightly large-ish person, and have very little tolerance for bad behavior, so if someone pushes me around i usually push back, but only enough to gauge what type of person they are. e.g. "there are plenty of tables over there where i'm not playing." or the standard, "these are my chips, if you want me to play different pass me some of yours." if they get the hint, good, if they get more hostile, I pack up my things, there is always a new shift a few hours away when i can come back and they will most likely be gone.

i don't want to get robbed or jumped in a parking lot. casinos are pretty safe, but things CAN happen, it is always best to make sure that you avoid such things.

[Pelerus]

On my last trip, there was an older black lady at my table - a real piece of work. After every losing hand she had a critique of someone or something at the table, usually mumbled under her breath. The expression on her face could have soured milk on contact. She would then roll her eyes - which was a sight to behold, since she had a lazy eye like you wouldn't believe, keeping one eye on the action at all times though venomously avoiding looking directly at the table. And her nails... Those grotesquely long, pink nails scratching and tapping their way to a hit will be forever imprinted on my brain.

At one point, the only other fellow at the table besides us was an African - a legitimate African, not the American variety. I was thinking Nigerian, though I could be way off. In any case, I am dealt a soft 18 against a dealer 4 and double...then all hell breaks loose.

Both the lady and the man take personal offense at my decision, with the lady insisting, "an 18 against a 4 is a winning hand!" I didn't think it would be a good idea to point out that I received a face card on the double, so my hand was...still an 18. The man then added his own unique insight: "There were already two threes on the table!"

It was all I could do not to make the pertinent observation: "What is this, roundtable diplomacy? If I wanted the advice of the African General Assembly, I would consult the UN."

Eventually, the pit boss even tried to come to my rescue with the basic strategy card: "See - he was right!" You know you've been sufficiently ploppified when the pit crew suddenly becomes your friend.

[creeping panther]

Originally Posted by Pelerus

On my last trip, there was an older black lady at my table - a real piece of work. After every losing hand she had a critique of someone or something at the table, usually mumbled under her breath. The expression on her face could have soured milk on contact. She would then roll her eyes - which was a sight to behold, since she had a lazy eye like you wouldn't believe, keeping one eye on the action at all times though venomously avoiding looking directly at the table. And her nails... Those grotesquely long, pink nails scratching and tapping their way to a hit will be forever imprinted on my brain.

At one point, the only other fellow at the table besides us was an African - a legitimate African, not the American variety. I was thinking Nigerian, though I could be way off. In any case, I am dealt a soft 18 against a dealer 4 and double...then all hell breaks loose.

Both the lady and the man take personal offense at my decision, with the lady insisting, "an 18 against a 4 is a winning hand!" I didn't think it would be a good idea to point out that I received a face card on the double, so my hand was...still an 18. The man then added his own unique insight: "There were already two threes on the table!"

It was all I could do not to make the pertinent observation: "What is this, roundtable diplomacy? If I wanted the advice of the African General Assembly, I would consult the UN."

Eventually, the pit boss even tried to come to my rescue with the basic strategy card: "See - he was right!" You know you've been sufficiently ploppified when the pit crew suddenly becomes your friend.

Of these type of people are addicted gamblers and are on the brink, better to just play along, stay kool, be polite. You never know when they will go over the edge.

CP

[johndoe]

If you are an AP, you need to use these people to your advantage: either for cover, to eat up cards in a bad count, or to scare them off in a good count. Watch for opportunities and take them.

They are annoying, but they become much less so if they're helping you without knowing it.

[Turtleman]

I'm afraid I see this kind of crap all the time, although last week's trip was probably the first in years that I personally didn't encounter this kind of rude and ignorant behavior. I expect it, and always make sure my newbie friends do too. Hoping for the best, but expecting the worst makes it easier to cope. Like some of the others have said, it's better to keep cool and roll with the punches (figuratively, of course) than to provoke something that could get extremely ugly. If need be, move or complain to the boss. T-4

[callipygian]

Ignore anyone who isn't talking directly to you about something specific you did at the table. Pretend not to speak English if you really feel the need to say anything (even if you speak perfect English to the dealer). If they threaten you in any way, insta-report it to the pit.

If they're commenting on how you play your hand, offer to sell them your hand (100% of value for losing hands, 150% of value for winning hands) and say that so long as your money is on the table, you will play your hand the way you feel like. Remember to always use the word "feel" at the table - you do not admit to making an independent, objective analysis of the cards; rather, you "feel" like playing a certain way. When/if people comment on changing your play (as the count changes), the standard response is simply you felt like playing it this way this time. They will generally feel absolutely superior to you because they "know" the right way to play and you're a moron for playing on a whim, and they'll shut up.

[mulehead126]

It's tempting to say "An 18 vs. a 4 IS a winning hand...but doubling down yields more"...but what's the use!

Depending on the situation, when I take abuse for making the correct play, I usually either:

1) Act stupid and say nothing.

2) Ask the criticizer what his secret is to knowing what card is coming out next - great when you "took the dealer's bust card", etc.

3) Ask the "expert" how much of HIS money is being played at MY seat - not recommended if the expert is a large individual!

I will though add that I am no fan of a player who sits out the first few hands, or constantly plays a hand or two, sits out, etc. Unless the players are taking a beating and someone sits out a hand to "change things up" - I'll do that - after asking if anyone minds. I know it really doesn't matter but hey, it's karma.

But as far as taking crap from others, etc., hey if there are other tables just move. I like to play with people who are having a good time, or at least aren't total jerks if they are losing. It's really tempting to "prove" you are smarter at BJ that a jerk is, but they won't believe you. Forget your ego, remember it never hurts to have the pit people think you are an idiot too! Plus what are the chances you'll ever see those same people again. Just move along...

I'm also a little surprised they let a guy constantly jump in for only a hand betting $100...