Thanks for the feedback, very much appreciated. I should have made my “checking the count” idea clearer however: I was thinking some kind of simple, subtle, unnoticeable signaling system of some sort could be worked out so, e.g. one counter could bet the proper amount and the other counter could signal in some way that he agrees or disagrees w/ where the count is. I don’t know - that’s my idea – maybe it would be too risky and/or too complicated. Maybe would be best as you suggest to just practice at home (which I do!). Also, I do consider the other factors – I maintain a proper bankroll, use indexing and try to do a 1-10 spread and do wonging (could probably do that more however) - what other elements were you thinking of as far as “more to it”? But, banging my head against the 6 deck poor pen games has probably taken its toll, although I see a lot of Mohegan games where it looks to be 66-75% pen and with S17 and surrender that should be an ok game(?). Anyway, if anyone else wants to give their advice, I appreciate it or if anyone still would like to get together somehow to give me pointers that would be much appreciated too.