Dealer caught me off guard

yesiamred

yesiamred

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While I was at store yesterday that I visit once a month or so and being the polite person that I am by trying to carry a conversation and just being friendly to the dealers and pb's for cover play...well I had a nice friendly elderly lady dealer ask me my name and of course my head was in the game and I blurted out my first name...ooops. :eek:

The same thing happened on another shift as well. Then one pit boss asked me if I had a card and I said "no thank you", well "would you like me to get you a card" and I say "no thank you" again and then he asks me why I don't want one. What I wanted to say was "back the eff off and leave me the hell alone" but politely I stated that I am not from the area and don't visit often. Man, I think I just blew my whole incognito plan and might have to legally change my name..maybe easier just to get a new husband, younger of course, lol, lol:grin: :laugh:
 
creeping panther

creeping panther

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Red

yesiamred said:
While I was at store yesterday that I visit once a month or so and being the polite person that I am by trying to carry a conversation and just being friendly to the dealers and pb's for cover play...well I had a nice friendly elderly lady dealer ask me my name and of course my head was in the game and I blurted out my first name...ooops. :eek:

The same thing happened on another shift as well. Then one pit boss asked me if I had a card and I said "no thank you", well "would you like me to get you a card" and I say "no thank you" again and then he asks me why I don't want one. What I wanted to say was "back the eff off and leave me the hell alone" but politely I stated that I am not from the area and don't visit often. Man, I think I just blew my whole incognito plan and might have to legally change my name..maybe easier just to get a new husband, younger of course, lol, lol:grin: :laugh:
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Red, just tell them that "for personal and security reasons you prefer a certain degree of privacy, I am sure you can respect that",(big flirty smile):grin:

You were not made Red, the pit Boss was just all hot and bothered from your beautiful flaming red hair:cool::)

CP
 
Gamblor

Gamblor

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I would not worry at all about what you described. I often play with my card, so the casinos know my full name, where I live, etc., I mentioned before, one casino I play at, if I don't give them my card, sometimes they'll just enter my name in the system anyway, as some of them remember it.

You came up with a good excuse for not giving one. Other good ones I heard:

"I don't need anyone tracking what I do with my money" (helps if you have a criminal-ly look about you)
"I don't use a card, I don't need my wife/husband to see the mailers"
"Whats the point, the comps here suck anyway"
 
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pit15

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There's a pit critter who knows I use a card that's not mine. The first time I used it with him he just asked to see my card again because he thought I got put in wrong, then once he realized I was doing it intentionally he didn't care.

My cards say I'm a hole carder, so I don't use them. (He doesn't know that's why I'm using a fake name of course, and he's just not really motivated to find out why I'm using a fake name.)
 
Jack_Black

Jack_Black

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It's not that big a deal to hide your identity. although strangely, I have seen ploppies refuse cards, and refuse to give first names. It doesn't sound like you play in vegas, and it doesn't sound like you visit sweaty joints, so having a card can be a great asset. read up on comp hustling, free money, free RFB, free play, etc. sometimes even getting a card will inadvertently take heat off of you. although you are female, I don't think you'd get much heat to begin with.

but...lines I've used when I didn't want to get a card for one reason or another.

"You want my ID for a players card?! what the **** do you need my ID for? I've got a subway sandwich card, and they never asked me for ID to get my free sandwich! flail your arms wildly and yell this out.
 
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21gunsalute

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yesiamred said:
While I was at store yesterday that I visit once a month or so and being the polite person that I am by trying to carry a conversation and just being friendly to the dealers and pb's for cover play...well I had a nice friendly elderly lady dealer ask me my name and of course my head was in the game and I blurted out my first name...ooops. :eek:

The same thing happened on another shift as well. Then one pit boss asked me if I had a card and I said "no thank you", well "would you like me to get you a card" and I say "no thank you" again and then he asks me why I don't want one. What I wanted to say was "back the eff off and leave me the hell alone" but politely I stated that I am not from the area and don't visit often. Man, I think I just blew my whole incognito plan and might have to legally change my name..maybe easier just to get a new husband, younger of course, lol, lol:grin: :laugh:
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Unless you've already been backed off at that property there's really no reason not to get a players card and use it. And don't be afraid to use your real name either. Not using a card and not revealing your name just makes you look guilty IMO.
 
Solo player

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Comps?

21gunsalute said:
Unless you've already been backed off at that property there's really no reason not to get a players card and use it. And don't be afraid to use your real name either. Not using a card and not revealing your name just makes you look guilty IMO.
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Is getting a few dollars in comps worth risk of revealing your true identity? Guess that depends on were you are playing at. Maybe if your playing red chips in a locals joint. But when you start moving up in bet sizes and max bets, your play will be watched more closely. And if you are deemed a threat, in most places you will soon get the tap. If comps are that important to you then you better have a good act. And that is something that I need to work on.

Since playing chunky green to lite black the last few years I don't think comps are worth it. :eek:
 
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paddywhack

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21gunsalute said:
Unless you've already been backed off at that property there's really no reason not to get a players card and use it. And don't be afraid to use your real name either. Not using a card and not revealing your name just makes you look guilty IMO.
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I wouldn't be so sure about that. Once your name is in any of the databases or fliers are sent out, your name is toast and you can have a whole lot of trouble. That I don't need. Guard your identity or you'll have to find a creative way to get a new one.

Granted, spreading very light red should be no problem, but then what do you get in comps anyway. Maybe a sandwich after 4-5 hours of play.

Spreading green to light black in vegas for short spurts, probably not a problem and the comps might well be worth it if you're not a local playing the games all the time.

Spreading green to three or more blacks - don't ever let them know who you are. IMO.
 
blackchipjim

blackchipjim

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ID'd

If you think that you blew your cover you probablly did. If this joint is or is going to be your regular place of play take a break for a long time then when you go back get a card without hesitation. Trying to play at a place without a card with any frequency is a flag anyways. It's alright to play unrated at places you don't plan on playing again for a good long time but once a month doesn't fall into the category of infrequent.
 
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21gunsalute

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paddywhack said:
I wouldn't be so sure about that. Once your name is in any of the databases or fliers are sent out, your name is toast and you can have a whole lot of trouble. That I don't need. Guard your identity or you'll have to find a creative way to get a new one.

Granted, spreading very light red should be no problem, but then what do you get in comps anyway. Maybe a sandwich after 4-5 hours of play.

Spreading green to light black in vegas for short spurts, probably not a problem and the comps might well be worth it if you're not a local playing the games all the time.

Spreading green to three or more blacks - don't ever let them know who you are. IMO.
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Solo player said:
Is getting a few dollars in comps worth risk of revealing your true identity? Guess that depends on were you are playing at. Maybe if your playing red chips in a locals joint. But when you start moving up in bet sizes and max bets, your play will be watched more closely. And if you are deemed a threat, in most places you will soon get the tap. If comps are that important to you then you better have a good act. And that is something that I need to work on.

Since playing chunky green to lite black the last few years I don't think comps are worth it. :eek:
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I don't think the OP is playing at anywhere near that level. And I'm quite certain that the only reason I haven't been banned at a certain store where I play regularly (as nearly everyone else has been) is because I use my players card and don't try to hide who I am. Failure to show a players card seems to be a red flag, at least at the joint in question.
 
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tthree

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Passing up valuable comps is a red flag to the pit. Many times it doesn't amount to anything but they will probably monitor your play more closely without a card. It is one of the things that are more often done by APs than others. You should avoid as many stereotypical AP behaviors as possible. Its also a good idea to play a strong enough counting system in a good enough game that a smaller spread is sufficiently effective. This is the best cover play of all. If the count ever goes of the charts put out the really big bets and then leave win or lose. Accompany this with a look at your watch and saying you have to be somewhere since you know you are going to leave anyway and you look like a gambler trying to make a quick score before she leaves.
 
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paddywhack

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21gunsalute said:
And I'm quite certain that the only reason I haven't been banned at a certain store where I play regularly (as nearly everyone else has been) is because I use my players card and don't try to hide who I am. Failure to show a players card seems to be a red flag, at least at the joint in question.
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That's one explanation. Is it the right one, or only one........keep thumping 'em and find out. Say hello to OSN for me........I'm not getting in there if I can help it.
 
zengrifter

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yesiamred said:
While I was at store yesterday that I visit once a month or so and being the polite person that I am by trying to carry a conversation and just being friendly to the dealers and pb's for cover play...well I had a nice friendly elderly lady dealer ask me my name and of course my head was in the game and I blurted out my first name...ooops. :eek:

The same thing happened on another shift as well. Then one pit boss asked me if I had a card and I said "no thank you", well "would you like me to get you a card" and I say "no thank you" again and then he asks me why I don't want one. What I wanted to say was "back the eff off and leave me the hell alone" but politely I stated that I am not from the area and don't visit often. Man, I think I just blew my whole incognito plan and might have to legally change my name..maybe easier just to get a new husband, younger of course, lol, lol:grin: :laugh:
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Better to just give them a card. zg
 
Coyote

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The dilema I have with playing rated is that I don't want to burn out my stores while I build my skillz and my bankroll. So far, I believe I have played the cat and mouse game pretty well. I hate to lose, so booking intentional losses is tough! In order to avoid this, A wise friend has taught me the fine art of Rat Holing! :cool: Thank you my friend!

So for now, I play rated, try to disguise my bet spread, and watch my demeanor at the tables.

Regards,
Coyote
 
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tthree

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Downside of ratholing

The downside of ratholing is if they see you trying to SNEAK chips into your pocket it looks suspicious. After that every time they make the occasional accounting of missing chips at the table they will be added to your total every time. The dealer makes the call were the chips went with the pit bosses input. They have to assign it somewhere. The last thing you want is to be a known ratholer. Your win rate in their system will end up much higher than your actual win rate because every missing chip if you played since the last check will automatically be assessed to you whether it is in your pocket or not.
 
Coyote

Coyote

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tthree said:
The downside of ratholing is if they see you trying to SNEAK chips into your pocket it looks suspicious. After that every time they make the occasional accounting of missing chips at the table they will be added to your total every time. The dealer makes the call were the chips went with the pit bosses input. They have to assign it somewhere. The last thing you want is to be a known ratholer. Your win rate in their system will end up much higher than your actual win rate because every missing chip if you played since the last check will automatically be assessed to you whether it is in your pocket or not.
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True, that is something to be cognizant of, and take extream measures to avoid. However, descrete rat holing can be done.
 
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pit15

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Coyote said:
The dilema I have with playing rated is that I don't want to burn out my stores while I build my skillz and my bankroll. So far, I believe I have played the cat and mouse game pretty well. I hate to lose, so booking intentional losses is tough! In order to avoid this, A wise friend has taught me the fine art of Rat Holing! :cool: Thank you my friend!

So for now, I play rated, try to disguise my bet spread, and watch my demeanor at the tables.

Regards,
Coyote
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"burn out" at a store is because people there know you as an AP.

If you burn out a player card you always have the future option of playing as a refusal/diff card, it's the people who remember you got backed off that are the problem.
 
Coyote

Coyote

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pit15 said:
"burn out" at a store is because people there know you as an AP.

If you burn out a player card you always have the future option of playing as a refusal/diff card, it's the people who remember you got backed off that are the problem.
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Which supports the idea of not hitting the same store too often. Keep a log of stores visited and details of those visits. :eyepatch:
 
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