5 most important sub rules in blackjack!

Cardcounter

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#1
1. How much do blackjacks pay if they don't pay 3:2 than odds or better it is not worth playing.
The worst 8 deck game with extremely tight rules that pays 3:2 is better than the best single deck 6:5 game with liberal rules that you would be hard pressed to find.
2. How many decks are used?

3. What can you double on?

4. Can you resplit aces?
One split only is only accetable in good single or double deck games

5. Does the dealer hit or stay on soft 17.
 

Pro21

Well-Known Member
#2
But for the card counter the 3 most important things are

3. Game speed. a heads up game with bad rules is much better than a full table with good rules in terms of dollars per hour.

2. Penetration. A 6-5 game dealt to the last card is worth more than an 8 deck game cut in half.

1. Will the casino take your action. If they will take your action without sweating it, that is worth much more money than good rules where you get barred right away.
 

bj bob

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#3
Cardcounter said:
1. How much do blackjacks pay if they don't pay 3:2 than odds or better it is not worth playing.
The worst 8 deck game with extremely tight rules that pays 3:2 is better than the best single deck 6:5 game with liberal rules that you would be hard pressed to find.
2. How many decks are used?

3. What can you double on?

4. Can you resplit aces?
One split only is only accetable in good single or double deck games

5. Does the dealer hit or stay on soft 17.
I'd rather take DAS over RSA any day, especially in pitch games due to it's frequency of occurrence.
 
#4
In terms of actual rules, the most important rule for a counter is surrender. It is more important than S17/H17. Being surrender is rare in pitch games DAS is become pretty important too. But DAS is rare in single deck. See where I'm going?

6:5 and other BJ derivatives are in different categories and can't be compared to blackjack.
 

bj bob

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#5
Automatic Monkey said:
In terms of actual rules, the most important rule for a counter is surrender. It is more important than S17/H17. Being surrender is rare in pitch games DAS is become pretty important too. But DAS is rare in single deck. See where I'm going?
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So Monk, given the choice between the SD (ls) at the Alamo and the fantastic (but now defunct) DD, DAS, DOA 80% game at the Biltmore, which would you choose?
 

hawkeye

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#6
I only recently found at that one joint near me doesn't let you re-split aces. All of the others nearby do, but this one doesn't. I played anyways because we were already there, and with other people so I didn't wanna ruin it and complain. In an hour I saw the chance to re-split aces 3 times, once to me. I couldn't believe it. Hate that rule! :devil:
 
#7
bj bob said:
So Monk, given the choice between the SD (ls) at the Alamo and the fantastic (but now defunct) DD, DAS, DOA 80% game at the Biltmore, which would you choose?
If I could bet more than $100 per hand at the Alamo, probably the LS.

Actually that's a tough question in real life due to all the other variables.
 

bjhack

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#8
Automatic Monkey said:
In terms of actual rules, the most important rule for a counter is surrender. It is more important than S17/H17. Being surrender is rare in pitch games DAS is become pretty important too. But DAS is rare in single deck. See where I'm going?

6:5 and other BJ derivatives are in different categories and can't be compared to blackjack.
I'm a BS player, but I've got a local casino that offers early surrender against anything but an Ace.

Other rules include 4 decks/H17/25% pen/standard

How important is surrender vs S17/H17 for a BS player? (I'm sure WOO answers this, but it is late and I'm lazy.). What is it costing me not to surrender a $5 bet?
 
#9
25% pen? i hope you mean 75%

if you're only a BS player, you needa use as much as you can to your advantage. learn the BS for your specific game with it's surrendering.
 

jack.jackson

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#10
Heres my Five

1) Never Toke.

2) Run everybody at table off.

3) Get as Drunk as possibly can.

4) Make as much $$$ as possible w/free room and dinner.

5) Take the Cocktail waitress back to room.
 

bj bob

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#11
Automatic Monkey said:
If I could bet more than $100 per hand at the Alamo, probably the LS.

Actually that's a tough question in real life due to all the other variables.
That scenario I gave wasn't the best, so let me rephrase on a more general level. If you had the choice between a SD, DOA, h17, nLS, Ro7 and a DD, h17, DOA, DAS, LS, 80%, which one would you prefer, given similar table mins and maxs?
 

bj bob

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#12
Cardcounter said:
1. How much do blackjacks pay if they don't pay 3:2 than odds or better it is not worth playing.
The worst 8 deck game with extremely tight rules that pays 3:2 is better than the best single deck 6:5 game with liberal rules that you would be hard pressed to find.
2. How many decks are used?

3. What can you double on?

4. Can you resplit aces?
One split only is only accetable in good single or double deck games

5. Does the dealer hit or stay on soft 17.
Actually, when you think about it, the most lucrative "sub rule" in any BJ game would be the absence of heat, allowing you to spread like a wild man.:devil:
 
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