6D: Burn card is 9 = burn 9 cards after. Burn card is K = burn 12 cards after

[flytronix]

Sorry I tried a search but couldn't yield any results. Is there a specific name for this practice? One of my nearby shops is using this technique on their 6D, DAS, S17 games. I was thinking if this game would be playable if I just assumed all the cards burnt after the first burn card would be negative. So for example, if the first burn card was a "K"; which means they would burn 12 more cards after the "K" so 13 cards burned total, I would just start the count at -13 to assume the worst. If the count got positive enough to overcome that -13, I would know that the count would definitely be high enough to start some medium to heavy spreading.

For this experiment I would be using Hi-Lo & Ill18 with some extra money seperate from my bankroll that I can afford to lose no problem.:laugh:
I was curious as to what you guys thought of this strategy & whether this game would be playable or just a waste of time. Thanks!

 

[k47k]

if they place the cut card at 52 cards do you start with a -52 count? I would just treat this as worse pen.

 

[KenSmith]

Burning a variable number of cards this way is normal practice at baccarat, but I've never seen it on a blackjack table.

It reduces penetration slightly but has no other effect. You should still start your running count at zero. An unseen card is an unseen card, whether it comes off the front of the shoe or is behind the cut card.

 

[daddybo]

What Ken said.. he beat me to it. But start your count using the single the card you saw for the burn. example: Count the 9 but not the unseen cards behind it. It will affect your deck estimation for TC conversion (if using a balanced count) in that you would want to factor in the unknown burn cards as part of the remaining deck. I've never seen that in BJ either.

 

[somtum]

Sorry I tried a search but couldn't yield any results. Is there a specific name for this practice? One of my nearby shops is using this technique on their 6D, DAS, S17 games. I was thinking if this game would be playable if I just assumed all the cards burnt after the first burn card would be negative. So for example, if the first burn card was a "K"; which means they would burn 12 more cards after the "K" so 13 cards burned total, I would just start the count at -13 to assume the worst. If the count got positive enough to overcome that -13, I would know that the count would definitely be high enough to start some medium to heavy spreading.

For this experiment I would be using Hi-Lo & Ill18 with some extra money seperate from my bankroll that I can afford to lose no problem.:laugh:
I was curious as to what you guys thought of this strategy & whether this game would be playable or just a waste of time. Thanks!

The burned cards shouldn't be counted as anything. You can't see them so you cannot make any assumptions. There's no difference whether the cards are in the discard tray were never dealt or cards that were never dealt and left in the shoe. The only thing you need to do is visualize a 1/4 of a deck less from the stack of cards in the discard pile when calculating your true count.

 

[flytronix]

Thanks for all the quick responses. Exactly what I was looking for.

 

[shadroch]

They do this at both the Longhorn and the Bighorn casinos in Vegas. It's a six deck shoe with bad penetration to begin with. Redeeming aspect of the game is it's a $2 minimum, drinks flow freely and copuons for both First Card is anAce($10) and $10 MPs are easily available. It also offers both surrender and double on any three cards. They also have a mini-tournament on a daily basis.

 

[flytronix]

Well this is an Indian tribe owned shop here in the Southeast so I guess they can make up whatever the hell rules they want. It's also a $5 table so I'm guessing it will be ploppie heaven but the floor is pretty big so I'll have to shop around for decent pen & players. I'm going to start the count with the burn card value & see how that goes. I'll try to post a trip report after the session.

 

[rrwoods]

Do remember that if they are burning another 12 cards, that's almost an extra quarter-deck you can't see, so it will affect your deck estimation if using a balanced count.