A Blackjack professional player should be learn a lot of card counting system?
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For shoe games the better Level One counts, e.g. Hi-Lo,
will suffice, but are not optimal. For Single and Double Deck
games a Level Two count is needed. Level 3 counts are overkill.
Such counts (Hi-Opt II, ZEN, Advanced Omega II, etc.) can be
employed under any conditions. A professional player ought to
arm himself with the most power available, as it is his livelihood.
I recommend Hi-Opt II. I used ZEN for my first 15 years of pro play.
Pick a good one and learn it inside and out. High-Low would qualify as a good one...Zen using the original per deck true count conversion is the best mix of power and simplicity. As Wong says, it doesn't much matter which system you use as any system that compares high to low cards will get the money.
If a high level system means you can only play 5 hours a day instead of 5.5 hours you are better off playing an easier system. If you cannot keep accurate track of the cards with a two level system you should stick to a one level system.
People overrate the importance of their "system". Far more important is the actual quality of the game or opportunity and whether the casino lets you actually play unmolested. Spend less time learning a super complex system and more time looking for the best mix of game quality and tolerance.
If a high level system means you can only play 5 hours a day instead of 5.5 hours you are better off playing an easier system. If you cannot keep accurate track of the cards with a two level system you should stick to a one level system.
People overrate the importance of their "system". Far more important is the actual quality of the game or opportunity and whether the casino lets you actually play unmolested. Spend less time learning a super complex system and more time looking for the best mix of game quality and tolerance.
A counting system will only give you plus or minus a tiny bit of your edge ASSUMING perfect play. If you can play perfect and want that last little bit o edge, go for a harder count, maybe even a non ace reckoned count with an ace side count.
For some side bets though, learning counting systems for those decently could prove profitable if you run into them. Two examples are the 10 count for insurance and the Crush Count for O/U 13 (if you live in Europe
). Knowing about these might end up being useful, but as far was practicality goes they are limited only to their specialties.
For a general count (assuming you don't know if you are going to stick with it) Hi-Lo is obviously the place to start. If you think you might get pretty into it and have a general idea of the games you'll be playing, you'll want to choose a count better suited to those specific games. Hi-Opt II is fantastic for hand held games, something like Wong Halves or Zen works great at shoes due to the crazy high betting correlation (far more important than playing efficiency at shoe games).
Pick up some the the general books, they all teach various counting systems. Professional Blackjack and Blackbelt in Blackjack are two I just bought last week and have proved very helpful so far.
I decided to go with Wong Halves because I have mainly shoe games nearby and the extra level of difficulty (level 3 system) doesn't bother me much at all. You might decide that the slight edge this has over a level 1 (or the tiny tiny edge over a level 2) isn't worth the mistakes that will result due to your inherent skill set.
Try a few, practice with them, see what works.
For some side bets though, learning counting systems for those decently could prove profitable if you run into them. Two examples are the 10 count for insurance and the Crush Count for O/U 13 (if you live in Europe
). Knowing about these might end up being useful, but as far was practicality goes they are limited only to their specialties. For a general count (assuming you don't know if you are going to stick with it) Hi-Lo is obviously the place to start. If you think you might get pretty into it and have a general idea of the games you'll be playing, you'll want to choose a count better suited to those specific games. Hi-Opt II is fantastic for hand held games, something like Wong Halves or Zen works great at shoes due to the crazy high betting correlation (far more important than playing efficiency at shoe games).
Pick up some the the general books, they all teach various counting systems. Professional Blackjack and Blackbelt in Blackjack are two I just bought last week and have proved very helpful so far.
I decided to go with Wong Halves because I have mainly shoe games nearby and the extra level of difficulty (level 3 system) doesn't bother me much at all. You might decide that the slight edge this has over a level 1 (or the tiny tiny edge over a level 2) isn't worth the mistakes that will result due to your inherent skill set.
Try a few, practice with them, see what works.
Just one. You can use any level 2 counting system on multiple deck, double deck and single deck.
I recommend advanced Omega II with ace side count. For SD and DD, you use your five fingers to track the numbers of aces being played (up to 8). For 6D and 8D, you have to add your foot positions (up to 32 aces, so you need 4 different foot positions). To easily adjust true count according to the ace side count, use octal number system, not decimal number system for your ace side count.
I recommend advanced Omega II with ace side count. For SD and DD, you use your five fingers to track the numbers of aces being played (up to 8). For 6D and 8D, you have to add your foot positions (up to 32 aces, so you need 4 different foot positions). To easily adjust true count according to the ace side count, use octal number system, not decimal number system for your ace side count.
Nicely stated, bigplayer. Having played a higher level count for a period of over a year before reverting back to hi-lo, I have been expressing similar sentiment for a while now, and getting an argument from someone almost every time I state it. :laugh: For the vast majority of members of this site, myself included, what count or even level count you play doesn't matter all that much. Pick a count, learn it well, play it well.
Beginner's Should Start at the Beginning?
I would not recommend an A side count for a beginner. Of course, I would not recommend an A side count at all! Any count with an A side count; using 2 counts, does not give twice the performance.
Running hi lo would be a very good beginners count leading up to hi lo. Then one could go to a higher level count from there.
good cards:joker::whip:
I would not recommend an A side count for a beginner. Of course, I would not recommend an A side count at all! Any count with an A side count; using 2 counts, does not give twice the performance.
Running hi lo would be a very good beginners count leading up to hi lo. Then one could go to a higher level count from there.
good cards:joker::whip:
Read the answer to the third question of this post.
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showpost.php?p=74619&postcount=1
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showpost.php?p=74619&postcount=1
How can he be a complete adviser if he doesn't tell how to learn the strategy?
http://www.qfit.com/cardcounting/Uston-SS/
http://www.qfit.com/cardcounting/Uston-SS/
I also found the threads below by using Google.
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=307
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=21038
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=307
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=21038
