About getting barred from blackjack tables

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MarkN

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I should get to know this site last year!!. Just spent more than 10 hours reading this site (Mayor's Podium articles, Best Posts...)
I am new to card counting, play at a few casinos outside LV until now.
As I do not want to be barred (just in case!) for ever in those casinos, I wonder:
-As the casinos record everything (table games, exits, entrances, slots...) with their cameras, how long they keep those tapes? How can they record everything???
-After a player get barred from Blackjack (or restricted to betting the minimum only), can he (or she) be reinstated? Or casino will probably be inclined to barre him from the casino itself in the near future?
-When will a casino send your picture to other casinos?
I know I ask many questions, please feel free to reply to one or two questions. Thanks in advance!
 
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EYEinTHEsky

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I am not 100% sure about other jurisdictions, but, in Atl. Cty. The tapes are only held for 7 days, unless they need to be reviewed, then they get held longer, or copied onto a composite, then the tape gets recycled. Most games have 24hr taping, at least an overhead view,,,but,,,at 10 minutes after the start of every shift, you have tape change....so,,,,thats one of the many times we wouldnt have coverage. Although, DVR has just been approved in NJ for testing at Bally's, so who knows whats next...

THE EYE DOESNT SEE EVERYTHING AT EVERY TIME........
TAKE IT FROM SOMEONE WHO KNOWS FIRST HAND.... ;)
 
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TMC

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Some info to help you

Being a floor supervisor, I know that when we back off a player, we take his picture and send him on his way. We will not ban a person unless they win big and are obviously counting the cards. Once backed off, you can easily come back another day and try again on a differant shift. We have hundreds of photos, so remembering one face is tough. Surveillance is usually the department that spots someone who has previously been backed off. Disguising your identity is your best bet, grow a beard, wear a hat or what not. If your winning big, hiding your chips is a good idea, because when you have a lot of chips in front of you, we start to watch if your counting, but what most good floormen do is keep track of the money in the rack so its sometimes not effective. I don't know how long the tapes are kept, but it doesn't matter because they won't review the tapes unless they suspect a criminal act and counting is legal. This is how it is where I work, other places may be differant, but all similar. We have one or two people at a time watching the camaras in the entire casino, so your chances are good of not being spoted right away unless the floorman is paying attention. When I suspect somebody is counting, I call "the eye" and tell them to run a skill sheet on the player to see if they really are counting. They then call back and give me their opinion and we deal with it accordingly. We have made deals with quite a few counters so that they can continue playing at our casino, such as limiting their max bet or max spread. They can still make a small amount of money and it doesn't hurt the casino much so we let it go, as long as we like the person. Hope that helped!
 
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eyesfor21

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tmc ya do not sound like a floor person

ya sound like a typical player..
Casinos throw out many players after they have played and now there
game, they many wait until you are possibly down though.
How many of us have got the boot and actually been down,I bet
you it many of us. I will not take odds on this because
I hate gambling.
 
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KennilworthKid

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any good to bargan?

From what you said about limiting a persons bet spread or upper limit got me to wondering. When being backed off, is it any good to ask what conditions/limits the house will accept? If for example you told the pit boss you are staying at the casino's hotel, or your spouse/significant other enjoys playing slots/roulette/craps at the casino, would the casino likely strike a deal?
 
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SonOfBeve (TMC)

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Bargain

I am gonna use this handle for now on because its my handle other places. If you really are staying at the casinos hotel, you can probably cut a deal. It all depends on the pit boss and whether or not he likes you or not. The casino shift manager during my shift is happy to allow counters to play as long as they obey the rules we set for them, but our graveyard manager wont let those same players even sit down. Its worth trying.
 
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