AC Trip report from a beginning card-counter

Dschddny

Well-Known Member
#1
I went to Atlantic City on Saturday and played blackjack from 10am to 5pm, with a 45 minute break for lunch.

Here's a somewhat rambling summary of my experience (hopefully some of it will be interesting and worthwhile for some of you):

I had a small bankroll as this was my first time out, and didn't have much of a bet spread, since I didn't want to lose my whole bankroll quickly. My plan was to backcount and then wong in mid shoe when the count went positive, sit out hands as much as possible when the count became slightly negative, and leave the table when the count became very negative.

Overall, I lost 32 units for the day.

In the morning, I was able to backcount the tables and wong in without much difficulty (as the tables were pretty empty). Also, sitting out hands wasn't much of a problem for the same reason. As the day progressed, it became very crowded and thus very difficult to stand watching a table with an open spot and then jump in on a good count. I had to sit down whenever there was an opening, and just vary my bet based on the count.

A couple of times when I sat out hands or varied my number of spots played between 1 and 2, ploppies expressed their anger towards me. One woman told me "You have to let me know when you're going to play". I was so surprised that I didn't have a good retort for her. I should have said, "When you see my chips on the table, you'll know I'm playing!" Some guy told me that I can't keep jumping in and out of the game. When I told him that I can do that if I want and that I am equally either helping or hurting him, he still told me that he didn't want me to do that. I told him to stop betting so much then.

A dealer told me that by jumping in and out of the game I am messing up the flow of the game and causing the other players to lose! My friend yelled at the dealer, and we switched to a different table!

At one table, I was by far the lowest bettor. Other players were betting 5 times as much as my max bet. So, I was surprised when the dealer (who I thought I had a very good rapport with) yelled out "Playing multiple hands" when I started playing 2 spots.

I love when "ploppies" try to help or teach me. After I bought insurance on a very high count (and lost it), a woman "taught" me that you should only buy insurance when you have a natural blackjack. I thanked her and told her that I didn't know that.

High moment of the trip: Doubling down a max bet on my 8 vs dealer 6 on a high count and winning!

Low moment of the trip: Against a dealer 6 with a max bet on the table, I had 3's which I split. On the first 3, I was dealt another 3, so I split again. I was then dealt a 10 all three of my 3's. Of course, the dealer drew a 5 and then a 10, and beat me, so I lost 3 max bets.

Overall, I was pretty frustrated and felt beat up by the experience. Wonging in and out is quite a chore. Looks like it would be a lot easier (and more enjoyable) to just vary my bets based on the count (with a bigger bet spread) and leave the table when the count is too negative.
 

revereman

Well-Known Member
#2
You just learned a lot of lessons and the big difference between theory and reality. In the beginning of your counting career, I would suggest limiting yourself to one hand instead of going back and forth. At this point, you don't need the extra hassles of dealing with nasty players. Your conclusions and statements to other players are all correct. I imagine some on this board will say f*ck the other players and do what you have to do. They and you need to remember you are just starting out and you're not a pro. You're still learning (although you never stop learning). The fact that the dealer said "playing multiple hands" means you were sticking out and/or were realling annoying to other players. No dealer has said that at a table where I was playing. Cut your teeth on low level play and maybe don't even spread as much as you "should" (as you were apparently doing), even if it means you are playing a potentially losing game. You shouldn't lose that much (you can lose plenty losing 10 max bets in a row at high counts--it happens, believe me). Keep a low profile and keep learning.
 

Victoria

Well-Known Member
#3
Death or worse! You messed with the sacred FLOW

Just joking, but those ploppys are not. One reason I do not like crowded tables is that I sometimes have to think of keeping the ploppys quiet.
You do not want to sacrifice too much but when possible at a noisy ploppy table.
Spread after loosing a hand. Because you want to change the FLOW
Wong out to go to the restroom or just go. If you are going to sit there and watch, you do it after loosing a hand because you just do not like the FLOW. Or as many ploppys do, it is a bad shoe and I want to wait for the next one.

Insurance is taken only because you made a big bet and you are nervous about it.

Of course you need not explain anything at all to these people but if is at the point where the dealer is getting involved or the pit, perhaps this will keep them quiet.

Remember the FLOW is the most important thing to them but even they know that the FLOW can be evil and need changing. Sometimes you will be the kindest player and attempt to change it for them by spreading or wonging.

Victoria priestess of the church of the anti-flow
 
#4
I had a dealer do exactly the same thing last month. I was going to two hands sometimes. "That's just like someone jumping in and out... your messing up the other players". The other players didn't even seem to give a damn until she said this.

One would think that at some point in their training these dealers would have been told not to insult players for putting extra money on the felt. Or, at least to keep their opinions out of the game. Happens all the time, though.

-Felix
 
#5
Sounds like a rough trip. Don't worry, you will have more like this! Hopefully you will have a dozen good ones before you have another bad one.

I agree that Wonging in and out is a chore in a place like AC where it is always crowded and belligerent. You might be better off Wonging either in or out, but not both.

Also you might have let the environment get to you too. The challenge in dealing with ploppy heat is that you can't let it affect you, but you have to pretend you believe in their superstitions too. Giving them a math lecture at the table might be appreciated, but it probably won't, and could serve to even enrage them more or identify you as a counter. So just apologize, explain that you haven't played much, ask their advice, and do things like warn them if you are going to play an extra hand, what's the harm?

I might pay a visit to AC this weekend. Come up to CT sometime, (warning: $15-$25 tables min. and on holiday weekends they are mostly $50 min.) be nice and friendly to everyone and a low level player can spread all he wants for as long as he wants and the ploppy heat is minimal.
 

SammyBoy

Well-Known Member
#6
Im My Experience...

I find that ploppies are like bullies. The best way to handle them is to let them know that no matter how much they bitch and moan, you are going to play your hand. The key is to smile the entire time and be very nice to them and act like you are just having a good time. It really helps to have a friend or two with you that you can interact with. They are much less likely to attack you if they see you're not alone. When they get rude with me I like to say with a big smile and as polite as I can be, "Sir/Ma'am, I plan to play my hand like this all night long. You may want to find another table if you don't like the way I play." Also let them know that you are there to have fun, they will usually back off.
 
#7
Mind if I ask which casino you went to, and which you reccomend for me? Last time I went to AC, I found out that I was not allowed to resplit, and was told by another player at the table that at another casino (he didn't know which, he was at many that day) you could resplit up to four hands, and late surrender was allowed- anyone know which place at AC has the best rules?
 
#8
I have so far only played in AC
I went to trop once realized i couldnt resplit and I will not go back again

To me the most frsutrating thing about counting is not being able to say anything when idiots tell you that you should bet progressivly- This one idiot was doubling up after losses all night swearing he was a genius
The only thing he was right about was you cant win flat betting but i cna tbe like hey dick im counting

I usually try to avoid arguments but this one guy split 5's against a 2 and then the next hand cursed me out for splitting 8's againt a 10
I had to go off on him

You can use ploppies bullshit to your advantage
I was playing one shoe where the rc was -17 with 3.5 decks left ( it was -2 before that hand)
The dealer got a 20 i cursed about the flow and sat out
the dealer busts on the next 4 hands then gets a blackjack at which point there were about 2 decks left ( the delaer was delaing alomost 7.5 decks) and the count wasd up to 6 so i jumped in ponting out the dealers blackjack

Another thing i do is if the person next to me doubles for less ill put up the rest (assuming its not a stupid double)
This has worked quite well
 
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