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Preston

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#3
Probably not.

The Borgata will have a $10 table on the weekend. But they come few and far between.

The lowest I saw was $10 , but the general minimum was $15 or even $25 at some casinos.

Or in the case of Caesar's the lowest table I found on a weekend I was there was $50.

the town's greedy.. what can I say?
 

21forme

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#4
I was at the Borgata Saturday. There was one $5 table and there supposedly always is one, somewhere. Needless to say, it's always crowded.
 
#5
Borgata has a tradition of keeping exactly one table at $5 all the time. Players are lined up 3 deep, extremely slow action too.

Do not go to AC unprepared to play a $25 game. That is a bare minimum, $50 is more like it if you want to find a table with seats available on a weekend. Unless AC is very close to you or you are playing advanced techniques there, there is almost always a better option than going to AC.
 

ColorMeUp

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#6
Automatic Monkey said:
Borgata has a tradition of keeping exactly one table at $5 all the time. Players are lined up 3 deep, extremely slow action too.

Do not go to AC unprepared to play a $25 game. That is a bare minimum, $50 is more like it if you want to find a table with seats available on a weekend. Unless AC is very close to you or you are playing advanced techniques there, there is almost always a better option than going to AC.
In my experiences, you will always be able to find $15 tables, at least at Bally's/WWW. Last time I was there on a weekend I was able to find some $10's interspersed as well (but this was a slow time, just before xmas). Ballys, Trop, and Showboat/HOB seem to have lower limits sometimes than the others (that or I just don't know where to look). Caesars has always been higher every time I've been in there. Last time I didn't see a table for less then $25.
 
#7
As the others have said, $5 tables are pretty much unknown in AC. $10 tables are growing increasingly rare as well, even on weekdays. I've almost always found them weekdays at Harrah's, Resorts, the Taj, the Trop and at the Borgata during the afternoons. Watch out-- H17 is now legal in AC, and can be found at some Harrah's stores (WWW was all H17 last time I checked). Conditions are extremely crowded at almost all times. It's really not worth it to go down there for BJ alone unless you are playing $15 tables at the bare minimum.

The crack whores are still worth it, though.
 

21forme

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#8
I saw a bunch of H17 tables at Ballys a few weeks ago. They weren't trying to hide it in the small print on the placard, either. It was printed right on the table felt.
 

iwantblackjack

Well-Known Member
#9
As stated, Borgata has the 1 table $5 min tradition. I've seen $15 there at non-prime,nonpeak weekend hours; but, usually $25/$50 on the main floor. Caesars,$25 or $50. Harrah's properties in AC are getting more notorious with the H17 soft rule. Ballys & WWW had several; the one without was crowded. I almost sat at a $50T with a very low bankroll, but thank goodness I checked the table felt and rule card... and saw dealer h17 soft. Borgata still has the best rules, so far, with their 6d, even for $25. As stated, on the weekends, there are $10 & 15; but only in the mornings of Saturday and Sunday at Trop, Resort, Trump, Taj, AChilton. By around 1-2p, tables go up to $15 or 25.
AutomaticMonkey: Where would you suggest "better option" than going to AC by car? the foxwoods, mohegans, sececas, turningstones?
 
#10
Monkey!Boy said:
As the others have said, $5 tables are pretty much unknown in AC. $10 tables are growing increasingly rare as well, even on weekdays. I've almost always found them weekdays at Harrah's, Resorts, the Taj, the Trop and at the Borgata during the afternoons. Watch out-- H17 is now legal in AC, and can be found at some Harrah's stores (WWW was all H17 last time I checked). Conditions are extremely crowded at almost all times. It's really not worth it to go down there for BJ alone unless you are playing $15 tables at the bare minimum.

The crack whores are still worth it, though.
Hey, how many monkeys are in this place anyway?

Seeing H17 was real bad news. The WWW was the lamest store in the city and using typical casino logic, they responded to the unpopularity of their casino by making the games worse.

On the bright side, late surrender is now dealt at the Trump Marina high limit. Hopefully that will spread around town. LS is win-win for both the casinos and AP's.
 

Kasi

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#11
Monkey!Boy said:
H17 is now legal in AC
Man does that bite the big one. Now I get to lose my money almost 50% faster.

I bet in a month there won't be an S17 table in AC being the greedy b*stards they are.

Assume it's the same for Spanish 21 which completely ruins that game too.

Next will be the 6-5 and reading the tresspass act.

Too bad the NJ gaming commision can't look out for the little guy.

Very sad.

How does this happen anyway - the casinos just ask for a rules change and the commision says "no problem"? After the appropriate pay-offs of course.
 
#12
iwantblackjack said:
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AutomaticMonkey: Where would you suggest "better option" than going to AC by car? the foxwoods, mohegans, sececas, turningstones?
Foxwoods is the best game of all of those, because of the late surrender, better-than-average pen, and no heat. Mohegan is 2nd: 6D is available, LS, but you have to look really hard for good pen.

None of the games are practical to play without a $25 minimum bet. You can get away with $15 at Foxwoods on the weekdays. If you can manage a $200 maximum bet, you can play a $25 table just fine as long as you Wong out of bad counts.
 

sagefr0g

Well-Known Member
#13
this has got to be one of the most discouraging threads i've read.
man i thought i'd seen some bad games but Atlantic City takes the cake.
just can't imagine going there.
 

EasyRhino

Well-Known Member
#14
Wait, I thought LS was common in AC?

And if it's any consolation, there are still some pretty shitty games in Indian and riverboat country. 6 or 8D, no surrender, H17, and crappy penetration.

... and then there's the game at Caesar's Vegas, which is even worse.
 
#16
shadroch said:
I haven't seen any form of surrender in AC for several years,but I don't play the hi-roller rooms.
It was just added this past month. I'd rather play H17 with surrender than S17 without.

The problem with the high-limit rooms is they are all no-mid-shoe. And I'm not prepared to play any negative EV hands at all at $50.
 

Kasi

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#17
Automatic Monkey said:
I'd rather play H17 with surrender than S17 without.
Why is that? Ok - just re-read it - I guess u mean if the latter was only available at $50 min and the former available at $10 thereby exchanging the higher EV for lower minimum bet.

What a Sophie's choice that is.

A long time ago if u asked for surrender they would give it to you but it wasn't posted on the signs at the table.
 
#18
Kasi said:
Why is that? Ok - just re-read it - I guess u mean if the latter was only available at $50 min and the former available at $10 thereby exchanging the higher EV for lower minimum bet.
Not at all, a H17 game with surrender is better than a S17 game without for a card counter using a big spread.

The reason is that with a neutral count LS isn't very valuable, but at a high count when you have a huge bet out, it is, because the chances of the dealer having his hand and of you drawing a bust card are higher. Conversely, the dealer needs a low card to get a soft 17 and when there are fewer low cards, the house advantage from H17 becomes lower.
 

Kasi

Well-Known Member
#19
Automatic Monkey said:
Not at all, a H17 game with surrender is better than a S17 game without for a card counter using a big spread.

The reason is that with a neutral count LS isn't very valuable, but at a high count when you have a huge bet out, it is, because the chances of the dealer having his hand and of you drawing a bust card are higher. Conversely, the dealer needs a low card to get a soft 17 and when there are fewer low cards, the house advantage from H17 becomes lower.

Thanks - I think I see what u mean. Plays like surrendering a 14 vs 10, which u normally wouldn't do, at a high count become valuable.
 
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