advice to all u db's from a seasoned dealer

aslan

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#61
prankster said:
Routinely my wife and I leave a gratuity of 20+% if the service is ok. So-we're at Olive Garden-one of those special all you can eat for x amount of dollars. The young lady serving us brings us our second helping and we mention that this will be it for us. She says "hey if you'd like to order more I'll go get it and bring boxes so you can take it home-all the same to me" We say way cool and thank you! She got a monster tip.

More recently-same Olive Garden. Guy sees my wife sharing my salad and says "I'm going to have to charge you for a small salad! We say like hey go for it-whatever. BTW-when we arrived at his table initially there was a single penny on the table-apparently left by the previous customers. Long story short the previous customer left a larger gratuity than we did.:joker:
The guy needs to take "Real World 101":confused:
How nice of that waitress to treat you to that second salad! :joker:
 

moo321

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#62
prankster said:
Routinely my wife and I leave a gratuity of 20+% if the service is ok. So-we're at Olive Garden-one of those special all you can eat for x amount of dollars. The young lady serving us brings us our second helping and we mention that this will be it for us. She says "hey if you'd like to order more I'll go get it and bring boxes so you can take it home-all the same to me" We say way cool and thank you! She got a monster tip.

More recently-same Olive Garden. Guy sees my wife sharing my salad and says "I'm going to have to charge you for a small salad! We say like hey go for it-whatever. BTW-when we arrived at his table initially there was a single penny on the table-apparently left by the previous customers. Long story short the previous customer left a larger gratuity than we did.:joker:
The guy needs to take "Real World 101":confused:
It's because a lot of idiot waiters believe what management tells them, that running up a larger bill will get them a larger tip.
 

UK-21

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#63
Ah tipping? . . . . something us brits regularly come in for a drubbing for particularly by Americans who are use to having to tip people for just about everything - regardless of whether it's been done good, bad or indifferently.

Many, many years ago (1990 I think) I stayed at the Breckenridge Lodge in Colorado during a two week ski trip. I remember a lady in the breakfast room pouring me a cup of coffee (for which I got charged through the nose). When I left and walked out into the lounge she chased me up and asked if I was going to give her a tip? Not often my lower jaw bone bounces off the deck but this was one time. "Aren't you paid to pour coffee in the breakfast room?". "Well yes - but it is customary to tip the staff". My reply: "Spend two hours waiting on me and making sure I have everything I need without having to ask and you'll get one. Just pouring a cup of coffee, er sorry that doesn't qualify as going the extra mile." That was one waitress left with a face like a slapped ar$e. I found out subsequently that the Lodge paid their waiting and table staff 90c an hour. But despite this they still had a waiting list of people wanting to work there.

During my stay I got to speaking to a diner owner in town, an Australian as it happens, who complained he couldn't get anyone reliable to work for him despite offering $8 an hour (a chat after the same waitress had taken our order twice and both times hadn't passed it to the kitchen - she didn't get a tip either).

Rumour had it that tips at the Lodge were better (sometimes!).

When the national minimum wage was being introduced in the UK some years back there were lots of arguements for and against. Generally I'm in favour, as it reduces the incidences of exploitation of those at the bottom end of the social ladder, and means people don't have to rely on the vagueries of customer tipping to earn a fair day's pay for a fair day's work. Where the level is set is another debate - at the moment it's $5.93, around $8.50. Exploitation of the young is still allowed though, as employers only have to pay 16-17 year olds £3.64 - on the basis that they're learning or training, and there are directly related costs to the employer. Can't personally see how that arguement stands up for employers like MacDonald's though, where all new entrants (regardless of age) go through the same programme and take the same abuse off of the patrons when they complete it. Needless to say, not too many 16 or 17 years olds who aren't attending college bother to take the few jobs that are on offer to this age group.

Sorry, meandered of subject somewhat . . .
 

shinyam

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#64
When you play as much as I do, you have to deal with many different kinds of people: dealers, pit critters, waitresses, ploppies, fellow APs, etc...

There are good people and bad people in every one of those categories. I have enjoyed playing at tables where the dealers are genuinely friendly, and rooting for you to win. At other tables, dealers have been miserable, rude, and sometimes have even cheated me on purpose. I will happily tip the former a small percent of my EV (usually 2%), and will stiff the latter.

2% may seem very small. I make about $50 an hour. So this is only $1 per hour that I tip, on average. If I am losing, I usually don't tip. If I have a great session, I may tip $5 at the end. But usually I'll tip a dollar every once in a while for good service and good cards. $1 an hour is really all I can afford.

What pigrat doesn't realize is that it's hard to spare even the $1. It's not like I have mililons of dollars. In fact, I'm $100,000 in debt. I have car loans, student loans, credit card debt.

Since I play 1000 an hour a year, roughly, I toke about $1,000 a year. This $1,000 is money I could have kept to myself if I wanted. It would have bought me many nice things. But I don't mind giving it out to nice people.

What does bother me is that he money I give isn't being given to the nice dealers directly. Instead, dealers like pigrat get an equal share. Dealers who think that they are so important to the success of counters, and have an inflated sense of self-importance and entitlement. Dealers who are bitter and resentful of the success of others.

I will agree to tip 5% or even 20% of my winnings to dealers. But on one condition. Since dealers like pigrat think they are responsible for my good fortune, and deserve a cut, I must insist that they take responsiblity for my bad losses with them. If I am playing at your table, and lose big, then please compensate me for my losses, out of your own pocket (not the casinos). If I lose $5,000, then I think you should pay me maybe $500. Otherwise, you're just being very cold, just like I'm being cheap for stiffing you. After all, you're the one who gave me bad cards, right?

Perhaps I should get your phone number and arrange a secret meeting with you so that I can give you gifts. That way you won't tell on me, and I can count all day long at your table. That would be so much appreciated. If you can do me that huge favour, I could make mililons! Wow.

Not too long ago, I tipped a dealer $2 at the end of a session where I won several hundred dollars. Instead of thanking me, she demanded that I give her ALL my white chips. When I refused, she called me cheap. I complained to the supervisor, who had a "word" with her. Needless to say, she will never see another tip from me ... ever.

I doubt pigrat would be satisfied with a $1 or $2 tip, and he would rat me out like the pig he is. But, given the alternative of tipping him $30 an hour or being ratted on, I'd choose the latter any day.
 
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zoomie

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#65
Tiping in Vegas and AC

My sense is that AC players tip well, especially at SP21 with its large payoff Match-the-Dealer side bet. In Vegas recently there was no tipping at $25 tables. And nobody complained! In AC, if you win or play a long session, and don't tip when you color up, the floor supervisor will say something like, "The dealers really appreciate your play." Very sarcastically. :mad:
 
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