Back Offs...
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The only time I was backed off they said I was too good at blackjack and was not welcome to play blackjack but could play any other game. It came on the fourth morning as I approached the pit to play. I had clocked about a dozen good wins without a loser. I had a max bet out of over $200 the day before from a table min of $10 as a min bet. I was making tons of index plays and was very fortunate the way the cards fell.
Variance is why blackjack exists: it allows the poor player to believe he has a winning game, and keeps the game profitable for the casinos.
The problem for us is that our winnings can come in huge bursts which make us, or even non-advantage players, look like hole-carding shuffle trackers with X-ray vision into the shoe, which scares the hell out of the casino.
The problem for us is that our winnings can come in huge bursts which make us, or even non-advantage players, look like hole-carding shuffle trackers with X-ray vision into the shoe, which scares the hell out of the casino.
Would it hurt to play games like 2-5-7 Poker or Let it Ride one third of the time with a 1/4-1/2 min bet?
The first clue that you are a counter has to be that you do not make large errors and the second that you play NOTHING BUT Blackjack :laugh:
Even if they thought you might be skilled at BJ, they might look at your play at other tables as a peace treaty.
But what do I know, I am a NOOB :whip:
The first clue that you are a counter has to be that you do not make large errors and the second that you play NOTHING BUT Blackjack :laugh:
Even if they thought you might be skilled at BJ, they might look at your play at other tables as a peace treaty.
But what do I know, I am a NOOB :whip:
Been AP for only 7 months and just got B/O for first time in PA store. Shift Manager came to me at the start of a plus count and said to me...."We've determined that you are counting cards and we don't want your business anymore.....You need to color up and leave." As I said, it's my first B/O so I thought this was the norm. Maybe I can get back in legally?
Jay
A multitude of opportunitys in a casino.
A back off allows you back in to take advantage of other things that can be far better than BJ,,OTOH, a trespass is deadly in that you cannot take advantage of the other fine things that are available or may become available,,,,fear the trespass:yikes:
CP
A multitude of opportunitys in a casino.
A back off allows you back in to take advantage of other things that can be far better than BJ,,OTOH, a trespass is deadly in that you cannot take advantage of the other fine things that are available or may become available,,,,fear the trespass:yikes:
CP
If they determine that you're a skilled player, they're not going to care if they saw you playing a sucker game. And playing one of those games 1/3 of the time (even with a decreased bet--these games have a house edge more than four times blackjack) is just giving away money and wasting time in the process.
You can always return after a backoff, there's no legal issue there. But you'll want to wait a few months and play on a different shift, maybe. The worst that will likely happen if they see you again and realized that you've already been backed off would be for you to get backed off again or barred.
I definitely have to disagree with this. If you plan on doing anything other than card counting in a casino, getting busted for card counting is a disastrous mistake! A backoff is a de facto barring, as far as longevity at the place is concerned. If you've been backed off at a place, would you really feel comfortable playing other games there on the same shift?
You can always return after a backoff, there's no legal issue there. But you'll want to wait a few months and play on a different shift, maybe. The worst that will likely happen if they see you again and realized that you've already been backed off would be for you to get backed off again or barred.
I definitely have to disagree with this. If you plan on doing anything other than card counting in a casino, getting busted for card counting is a disastrous mistake! A backoff is a de facto barring, as far as longevity at the place is concerned. If you've been backed off at a place, would you really feel comfortable playing other games there on the same shift?
Lonesome
I am confused by the above paragraph
You can be backed off from BJ and told "you can play any other games" that leaves all wide open for the AP to pursue as he/she see's fit, and there are a plethora of opportunity, some better than BJ. A "backoff" is a barring from that game alone, all else wide open
Getting busted for card counting etc. is an inevitable event, deal with it and it will not be a "disaster". Why not "feel comfortable" playing other games on the same shift,?,of course you can, play and enjoy, have at it,,,why live in fear, you have just been given the green light to play. :grin:
A T-Pass is truly a dead end to potential profit of all types.
CP
I am confused by the above paragraph
You can be backed off from BJ and told "you can play any other games" that leaves all wide open for the AP to pursue as he/she see's fit, and there are a plethora of opportunity, some better than BJ. A "backoff" is a barring from that game alone, all else wide open
Getting busted for card counting etc. is an inevitable event, deal with it and it will not be a "disaster". Why not "feel comfortable" playing other games on the same shift
,?,of course you can, play and enjoy, have at it,,,why live in fear, you have just been given the green light to play. :grin:A T-Pass is truly a dead end to potential profit of all types.
CP
Of course an 86'ing is much worse than a backoff, but a backoff comes with heat. If you sit an another game after being backed off of blackjack, the bosses aren't going to just shrug their shoulders and figure that you decided to stop being an advantage player and are now an acceptable gambler. If there are better opportunities in a particular casino, why create heat for yourself by counting there? All you're going to do is make yourself a person of interest from the second you sit down into the seat of a different game to the moment they give you the tap on that one too, probably with a barring this time (they might not take your play on other games as well as they do with card counting).
creeping panther said:
I am confused by the above paragraph
You can be backed off from BJ and told "you can play any other games" that leaves all wide open for the AP to pursue as he/she see's fit, and there are a plethora of opportunity, some better than BJ.
You can be backed off from BJ and told "you can play any other games" that leaves all wide open for the AP to pursue as he/she see's fit, and there are a plethora of opportunity, some better than BJ.
I, for one, after being backed off from BJ, simply leaves. I don't make a B-line for the Sp21 or 3CP tables :laugh:
Lonesome-21
Well now,, I never said I would make a B-Line to another AP play, but I also would not exclude my play there on the same shift on another day, on another game, unless of course you desire to trespass yourself by never playing that shift again:laugh: ,,(paranoia...) If you play in Vegas or casino towns with many choices, just move on to another spot for a time.
But then again there are advantage plays with big profit that I would not hesitate to move to directly,,,and this I have surely done, one's that are not evident to very many at all.
The truth is that BJ is deteriorating in so many places, surveillance and data bases improving, policys in place to catch BJ AP's much easier, that the last thing you ever need is the trespass, that truly closes the gate to any AP play in that venue. A back-off is a minor pin prick in relation to the much bigger, and profitable opportunity's that you can take advantage of in the casino world, and BJ is no longer the top opportunity, sorry to say, in most places.
My Best,
CP
Well now,, I never said I would make a B-Line to another AP play, but I also would not exclude my play there on the same shift on another day, on another game, unless of course you desire to trespass yourself by never playing that shift again:laugh:
,,(paranoia...) If you play in Vegas or casino towns with many choices, just move on to another spot for a time.But then again there are advantage plays with big profit that I would not hesitate to move to directly,,,and this I have surely done, one's that are not evident to very many at all.
The truth is that BJ is deteriorating in so many places, surveillance and data bases improving, policys in place to catch BJ AP's much easier, that the last thing you ever need is the trespass, that truly closes the gate to any AP play in that venue. A back-off is a minor pin prick in relation to the much bigger, and profitable opportunity's that you can take advantage of in the casino world, and BJ is no longer the top opportunity, sorry to say, in most places.
My Best,
CP