Backed off !!

[Ace High]

I was in a small club in Carson City. I was just getting into what I thought was a "Groove" apparently so did the dealer, She called the pit boss over and whispered something in his ear, He picked up the phone and in another ten minutes or so, They told me they didn't want my play... I didn't argue, I did ask "why," They gave me no logical response, Just management has decided they do not want your play. They invited me to play any other game besides B.J. but no more B.J. ever in their place..I guess I blew it.. But don't know why? I had a beer in my hand, Wasn't staring at the cards, and even lost count more then once.
I'm working on the Hi-Lo, balanced system.

OH, WELL!!! The life of a Newby ,

Ace High

 

[LV Bear]

Was this at the Carson Nugget sweatshop?

The Carson Nuget pit boss watches the games while viewing an angled mirror above the pit, so it isn't obvious that he's watching you.

Assuming this is the place, they back off everyone who bets more than their average $3.00 ploppy and demonstrates any skill at all. Don't take it personally. There are plenty of other games in the Reno/Carson City area.

How long was your session?

 

[Stealth Bomber]

How large was your spread?

Hmmmm, I never got cooked there yet. Based on what LVBear said, I can assume my act is pretty good. + I guess I don't stay there very long either.

Hey LVBear: Remember the good ol' days at CVI in Minden with rules to die for? ;-)

 

[Ace High]

It was the "Carson Nugget" , The dealers name was "(Deleted)" I didn't notice the pit bosses name, It was in the evening. I guess my time was around 30 minutes. I was only spreading 1 to 5 units, and only when it was very apparent the cards were running rich.I mean very apparent, Another player even commented how there were no tens, and now was the time to increase our bets. They didn't say anything to him, (unless they did after I walked) It was more of a Practice session for me, then a Money making one. But I did something to tip them off????? So I guess I need to just take it as a Schooling session, I just wished I knew what for??And How to utilize it.

Ace High

"Ace High we deleted the names due to your exposing your self" Management.

 

[Shaggy18vw]

Did you raise your bets by more than a parlay (eg. "jump your bets"). This will tip most dealers and pit critters off. Be patient with your increases if heat may be an issue. If your playing a shoe game, the count will stay for a while.

 

[Ace High]

I'll give a rundown of the period, and maybe some of you caan give me Critique.
Critisizm is also accepted...

When I sat down the "first" thing I did was request cocktails. I bought in for $50.00 and being the first hand out of the shoe I bet 5 units, ($25.00).
I won that hand and pulled back to $5.00, I bet the $5.00 for quite some time just talking and watching the count. It stayed pretty steady the first shoe, but I did loose it a few times. After a couple of shoes, I was starting to keep up pretty well. Then new shoe shuffle and first hand out, I again bet $25.00. I verbaly made the comment that it worked once maybe it'll work again, It didn't, She brought up a B.J.. Again I requested another beer, The dealer wasn't very friendly and the guy next to me made some comment about her, ( I see the name was deleted from my other post, so I won't make that mistake again,,) The guy put a buck up saying maybe this will put you in a "better frame of mind," I played dumb and asked what that was for? He said it was a tip, I asked what a tip was, etc.etc.So I did it also.

The shoe was about 1/3rd in to it and was at +8, I was at 2 units and went to 5 units, That's when the dealer called the pit boss over.

So,What ya'll think..

Ace High

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Well that might have been playing a little too dumb, asking what a tip was! Everyone knows what a tip is. But the first time I went to Nevada and heard it referred to as a "toke", I was a little confused. Everywhere outside of Nevada a toke means something very different.

I tip big, real big, probably too big for my own good but I do it only when I am winning, which is the only time I have to worry about heat.

Were you mouthing the count maybe? If you bought in at $50, could be that you were just playing at a low-budget casino where they sweat everything. If you're playing shoe, I think you might be better off at a big time place where any red action is going to be invisible to them. Maybe find a table where someone is playing green or black and they won't notice you at all.

 

[LV Bear]

I'm confused

You said this happened at the Carson Nugget, which was my original guess. But you said it was in a shoe game. The Carson Nugget has only single deck games, no shoes. ???

What does a "toke" mean outside of Nevada?

 

[Alex]

Don't worry about that dump place in Carson

There are 324 casinos in Nevada with 420 Bj games. In the US there are 1098 casinos with 1129 BJ games and in Canada there are 51 casinos with 66 Bj games.
So we have in the US and Canada about 1149 casinos that offer Bj games. If we want to be conservative and consider that only about 25-30% of them are worth playing with an edge then we have about 287/340 casinos to play in per year and never play twice in the same place. Getting on average $700 per casino will get you over $200,000 per year and you're only play once/year in any place. We practically will never run out of playing games if we are willing to move/travel around.

My honest opinion is that nowadays the card counters have the best of it. I tend to believe that in today's market it is very possible to play BJ for living. If you play red chips I think is almost impossible to play professionally for living. You are no winning enough to cover all the expenses. The "green chip" level will take some real hard work to manage a decent income per year. If you can handle the "black chips" action then the life is sweet and easy.

AlexD30

 

[Victoria]

Your last point was a great point

I agree, the small guy will not be noticed in the bigger places.
From my limited, 5 year, experience, playing green at shoes on the strip, with black chip and purple chip players at your table, tends to get you ignored. Sat next to a guy playing purple my last trip, he was doing well but was not counting. He would take insurance most of the time and when his insurance bet worked twice in a row (neutral counts), you could really see the eyeballing. Better than that, when a new shoe started, this pit critter was moving his lips. I sat there spreading $25-$250, though the max bet only got out there a few times, and felt like I had a free pass. At a table with red chip players, checks play would have been yelled out.
They did not toss the guy though, but I bet they might have if the shoe the pit counted and his bets would have worked out. The shoe was a good one, but since the high rolling ploppy was not getting cards, he kept reducing his bet as the shoe got better. Luck and coincedence can probably get ploppys tossed. If it were my place, I would upgrade the guys room, give him a great dinner and make sure he comes back to play.

 

[Abraham de Moivre]

One Toke Over The Line

Toke: verb - To take a puff from a marihuana (sometimes refered to as "mary jane") cigarette. Usually hand rolled, commonly called a "reefer", or a "joint", chronic use of which can lead to East Fremont Street and being banned from the Western.

 

[learning to count]

The shoe was about 1/3rd in to it and was at +8, I was at 2 units and went to 5 units, That's when the dealer called the pit boss over.

So,What ya'll think..

Ace High
What I think is that is that there is something fishy with your story. If anyone knows The bear knows. SO whats UP???????

 

[Stealth Bomber]

Ace High, you only over-did one thing that I found, which comes from this statement:

I played dumb and asked what that was for? He said it was a tip, I asked what a tip was, etc.etc.So I did it also.

This statement and action works only if its real and you're one of the newest and worst players to have ever played the game. I think you over cooked it right there. Then you upped your bet when the PC apparently thought the shoe was hot + your playing strategy skill was not consistant with someone who is totally new to the idea of playing a tip for the D (an absolute beginner). They new something was fishy and they didn't want to take any chances on you being an AP.

So what else did you say with regard to your statement of etc. etc.?

Stealth

 

[Sonny]

He's a Joker, a Smoker, a Midnight Toker!