Best game in AC
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You can play six deck at all price levels at the Borgata (as low as $5 off peak, usually starting at $10), where there are no 8D games. In off peak hours, you can get $10 min 6D at Hilton and $15 at Sands. You can almost always get $25 6D at Hilton, Sands and Showboat. Everyplace else offers 6D only at the $100 level. The rest of the games in town are 8D.
As far as I know, the playing rules are the same everywhere (S17, DOA, resplit twice, DAS, nRSA).
As far as I know, the playing rules are the same everywhere (S17, DOA, resplit twice, DAS, nRSA).
I agree... Hey, All Clear....
I don't care if you live in Philadelphia, NYC, or Barstow. You can get to L.V. for cheap. My upcomming trip from Cleveland cost me $216 total. It is far cheaper for me to fly to L.V. than it is to drive to A.C., despite my proximity.
As far as I can figure, there is no reason to ever go to A.C. My personal advice would be to watch the websites of whatever airline has a hub near you. Watch Funjet's website especially. I have flown from Cleveland to L.V.(and I mean roundtrip) for a bit under $200. I have friends who have gotten last minute airfare through same for $125!! (about 1 top bet for me). Rooms in L.V. are much cheaper, and liberally comped.
Maybe some research is in order for you. Look at your potential E.V. vs. Travel expenses. Do some homework and do some math. If you do, you will find yourself on a plane to Vegas!
Good Cards,
-Felix
I don't care if you live in Philadelphia, NYC, or Barstow. You can get to L.V. for cheap. My upcomming trip from Cleveland cost me $216 total. It is far cheaper for me to fly to L.V. than it is to drive to A.C., despite my proximity.
As far as I can figure, there is no reason to ever go to A.C. My personal advice would be to watch the websites of whatever airline has a hub near you. Watch Funjet's website especially. I have flown from Cleveland to L.V.(and I mean roundtrip) for a bit under $200. I have friends who have gotten last minute airfare through same for $125!! (about 1 top bet for me). Rooms in L.V. are much cheaper, and liberally comped.
Maybe some research is in order for you. Look at your potential E.V. vs. Travel expenses. Do some homework and do some math. If you do, you will find yourself on a plane to Vegas!
Good Cards,
-Felix
Re: I agree... Hey, All Clear....
I generally agree. I live in the DC area (3 1/2 hours from AC), but have played far more in Nevada and Mississippi than I have in AC.
On the other hand....
If you live in Philly, it's a one hour drive to AC ($10 RT in gas and tolls). If you live in the NYC area, it's a 90 minute to 2 hour drive ($15 RT in gas and tolls), and that's door-to-door. This makes a 1 or 2 day trip to AC reasonable. You are not going to take a five hour flight (realistically, 8 hours door-to-door) to LV to play for 2 days.
For a Cleveland resident, like yourself, of course, it would be very hard to justify any travel to AC, since you'd be looking at an 8-10 hour drive or a flight that likely costs just as much as one to LV.
As for comps, I agree that they suck compared to LV, but they are improving since Borgata came into the market. If you're reasonably savvy, you can get a free room on a weeknight at several casinos for playing green -- you might even be able to scam a weekend room if you're persistent.
As for the game itself, I agree that there's nothing like the pitch games you'd find in Nevada and Mississippi. It's very difficult to justify playing all at any AC game (or, for that matter, any shoe game anywhere). For wongers, however, AC offers good conditions -- large, crowded casinos, big bettors everywhere and no heat. You can jump in and out throwing down $200 bets and nobody gives you a second look.
I generally agree. I live in the DC area (3 1/2 hours from AC), but have played far more in Nevada and Mississippi than I have in AC.
On the other hand....
If you live in Philly, it's a one hour drive to AC ($10 RT in gas and tolls). If you live in the NYC area, it's a 90 minute to 2 hour drive ($15 RT in gas and tolls), and that's door-to-door. This makes a 1 or 2 day trip to AC reasonable. You are not going to take a five hour flight (realistically, 8 hours door-to-door) to LV to play for 2 days.
For a Cleveland resident, like yourself, of course, it would be very hard to justify any travel to AC, since you'd be looking at an 8-10 hour drive or a flight that likely costs just as much as one to LV.
As for comps, I agree that they suck compared to LV, but they are improving since Borgata came into the market. If you're reasonably savvy, you can get a free room on a weeknight at several casinos for playing green -- you might even be able to scam a weekend room if you're persistent.
As for the game itself, I agree that there's nothing like the pitch games you'd find in Nevada and Mississippi. It's very difficult to justify playing all at any AC game (or, for that matter, any shoe game anywhere). For wongers, however, AC offers good conditions -- large, crowded casinos, big bettors everywhere and no heat. You can jump in and out throwing down $200 bets and nobody gives you a second look.
Re: I agree... Hey, All Clear....
>>You can jump in and out throwing down $200 bets and nobody gives you a second look.
At what count do you wong in at this level? +3?, +4, +5?
If this is even a top bet for you, it seems then, that it would be healthier for your BR to take a hit on the airfare/hotel for the much better EV and head west.
>>You are not going to take a five hour flight (realistically, 8 hours door-to-door) to LV to play for 2 days.
Then go to LV half as often as you would go to AC and stay twice as long. I have started doing exactly this in the midwest. I don't really play much in the casinos near me anymore. Instead, I go to much better game that is twice as far away. I do weekends instead of daytrips.
Admittedly, Maybe my advice was a bit tainted with personal frustration. I am sick of trying to make an 8 deck game work for me. I might have a hard time playing in AC even if I lived in AC. So if aggressive wonging is acceptable to you, than OK. I believe it is being conscientious not to play a bad game just because it's close.
-Felix
>>You can jump in and out throwing down $200 bets and nobody gives you a second look.
At what count do you wong in at this level? +3?, +4, +5?
If this is even a top bet for you, it seems then, that it would be healthier for your BR to take a hit on the airfare/hotel for the much better EV and head west.
>>You are not going to take a five hour flight (realistically, 8 hours door-to-door) to LV to play for 2 days.
Then go to LV half as often as you would go to AC and stay twice as long. I have started doing exactly this in the midwest. I don't really play much in the casinos near me anymore. Instead, I go to much better game that is twice as far away. I do weekends instead of daytrips.
Admittedly, Maybe my advice was a bit tainted with personal frustration. I am sick of trying to make an 8 deck game work for me. I might have a hard time playing in AC even if I lived in AC. So if aggressive wonging is acceptable to you, than OK. I believe it is being conscientious not to play a bad game just because it's close.
-Felix
Re: I agree... Hey, All Clear....
Yes I'm getting ready for a trip to Tunica. I can get a quick flight from Hartford to Nashville and rent a car, a lot less hassle than LV. If you're in the NYC area and want to play shoe you're much better off coming to CT- huge casinos, no heat, large action doesn't stand out plus we have LSR which really protects your big bets.
Yes I'm getting ready for a trip to Tunica. I can get a quick flight from Hartford to Nashville and rent a car, a lot less hassle than LV. If you're in the NYC area and want to play shoe you're much better off coming to CT- huge casinos, no heat, large action doesn't stand out plus we have LSR which really protects your big bets.
Re: I agree... Hey, All Clear....
I have done trips to AC, Gulfport, and LV from DC. I agree that you will find the extra money spent to fly to LV is usually worth it. I also agree if you are going to go for a night or two, it is probably better to drive to AC. The BJ in AC is not very good, but there are other games to play like Poker. You would be amazed at how many suckers are out there. As far a BJ in AC, you can certainly do plenty of wonging during the less busy hours. I found that it is nearly impossible to wong on a Friday/Saturday night during peak hours because every table is full. These are great times to find other AP games. Usually poker is good because many are boozing and are there for pure enjoyment (I enjoy it to, but there is certainly a monetary motivation).
P.S. Blackjackhack, Please email me when you get a chance.
I have done trips to AC, Gulfport, and LV from DC. I agree that you will find the extra money spent to fly to LV is usually worth it. I also agree if you are going to go for a night or two, it is probably better to drive to AC. The BJ in AC is not very good, but there are other games to play like Poker. You would be amazed at how many suckers are out there. As far a BJ in AC, you can certainly do plenty of wonging during the less busy hours. I found that it is nearly impossible to wong on a Friday/Saturday night during peak hours because every table is full. These are great times to find other AP games. Usually poker is good because many are boozing and are there for pure enjoyment (I enjoy it to, but there is certainly a monetary motivation).
P.S. Blackjackhack, Please email me when you get a chance.
Re: I agree... Hey, All Clear....
>> At what count do you wong in at this level? +3?, +4, +5?
I wong in at +2 (Uston APC) and bet $50 (and wong out at 0) and go up to 2 x $200 from there. My max bet is reserved that for those monster TCs (e.g. +20) that you get every once in a while playing shoes (maybe once every 10 hours of wonging?).
>> Then go to LV half as often as you would go to AC and stay twice as long. I >> have started doing exactly this in the midwest. I don't really play much in >> the casinos near me anymore. Instead, I go to much better game that is twice >> as far away. I do weekends instead of daytrips.
I agree. As I mentioned at the top of my email, I have played a lot more in MS and NV than in NJ. But - what if I am on the way home from NYC to DC and have 24 hours available to play - should I fly to LV? I just believe that it can be worthwhile for a player (in NYC or Philly, in particular) to go to AC (or CT) for a short trip rather than fly to LV. This boils down to a fairly simple equation. Assuming it takes 16 hours, and $300, to get to LV (RT), and 4 hours and $20 to get to AC (RT), the player should travel to LV if the following is true:
((LV EV per hour) * (T-16)) - 300 > ((AC EV per hour) * T-4) - 20
Whether LV or AC is more worthwhile depends on three variables - T (time available for the trip, excluding sleeping time), and the two respective hourly EVs. The results of this equation will be highly player-specific.
Count Luckula, I don't have your email address. Mine is [email protected].
>> At what count do you wong in at this level? +3?, +4, +5?
I wong in at +2 (Uston APC) and bet $50 (and wong out at 0) and go up to 2 x $200 from there. My max bet is reserved that for those monster TCs (e.g. +20) that you get every once in a while playing shoes (maybe once every 10 hours of wonging?).
>> Then go to LV half as often as you would go to AC and stay twice as long. I >> have started doing exactly this in the midwest. I don't really play much in >> the casinos near me anymore. Instead, I go to much better game that is twice >> as far away. I do weekends instead of daytrips.
I agree. As I mentioned at the top of my email, I have played a lot more in MS and NV than in NJ. But - what if I am on the way home from NYC to DC and have 24 hours available to play - should I fly to LV? I just believe that it can be worthwhile for a player (in NYC or Philly, in particular) to go to AC (or CT) for a short trip rather than fly to LV. This boils down to a fairly simple equation. Assuming it takes 16 hours, and $300, to get to LV (RT), and 4 hours and $20 to get to AC (RT), the player should travel to LV if the following is true:
((LV EV per hour) * (T-16)) - 300 > ((AC EV per hour) * T-4) - 20
Whether LV or AC is more worthwhile depends on three variables - T (time available for the trip, excluding sleeping time), and the two respective hourly EVs. The results of this equation will be highly player-specific.
Count Luckula, I don't have your email address. Mine is [email protected].
Re: I agree... Hey, All Clear....
Sure, There are gobs of variables. And, if I were just passing through (T=0), I'm sure I would at least be doing some scouting.
But from the tone of All Clear's post I just assumed he/she did not live near AC (Maybe I am wrong), and a special trip would be in order, in which case Vegas is almost always the best advice.
Also, There was at least a tiny level of exaggeration to the statement. "I don't care if you live in Philadelphia, NYC, or Barstow". Sometimes I forget how poorly exaggeration or sarcasm translates to text. Sorry.
-Felix
Sure, There are gobs of variables. And, if I were just passing through (T=0), I'm sure I would at least be doing some scouting.
But from the tone of All Clear's post I just assumed he/she did not live near AC (Maybe I am wrong), and a special trip would be in order, in which case Vegas is almost always the best advice.
Also, There was at least a tiny level of exaggeration to the statement. "I don't care if you live in Philadelphia, NYC, or Barstow". Sometimes I forget how poorly exaggeration or sarcasm translates to text. Sorry.
-Felix