Blackjack Awakening part Two

zengrifter

zengrifter

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mdlbj said:
If that question was for me AM, I could not tell you. I'm sure if you talk with them they may be able to give you a group discount or something. I did not pay a dime to go, I was invited.

Also, I have never said one should go and take the class but I have written about my experiences with Dave Irvine and Mike Aponte. At the same time, I have suggested that if people want to improve their game, I have let them know to seek advise from proven professionals.

To speek to MAZ's comments, he has no idea about how well or bad I play.

The article he read ( Blackjack Awakening ) was tailored for a specific demographic. And judging by his comments, it worked. So I am stoked about the response he has left, it lets me know that the ideas in the article were understood and absorbed by the reader.

Peace.
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So you got the freebee in exchange for shilling here? zg
 
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mdlbj

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Shilling is doing something fraudulent, like bid rigging etc.. I'm sure you can explain quite well how that works ZG. I am simply letting people know what is was like to attend a seminar. Its up to the reader to go or not or to come up with a way to go for free.

Personally, I think most people ( Even seasoned AP's ) would get a lot out of going. There are even people on this board that have gone to see if they were up to a standard.

There was an article written in the NY Times about a team who attended and they are some bad ass players to start with.

I went to write a piece on what they had to offer hence why I did not pay to go, and yes I got a lot out of it. Met Jeff Haney as well. He is a good person to be in contact with ;)

As for MAZ, he is a great player and dos not put up with BS. He like to rib people but, he has got the game to back up what he is spitting out.

Shilling no, explaining my thoughts yeah.
 
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zengrifter

zengrifter

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mdlbj said:
Shilling is doing something fraudulent, like bid rigging etc.. I'm sure you can explain quite well how that works ZG.
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Whoooa! Shilling isn't fraudulent, at least not the definition I was thinking of -
WEBSTERS: Shill (n) - A person who publicizes or praises something or someone for
..............................reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty.

.......................... - To advertise or promote (a product) as or in the manner of a huckster;
..............................hustle: He was hired to shill a new TV show.​

Now answer one question, please. What would I know about "bid rigging"?
Seriously, is it that I'm a criminal and bid-rigging is illegal, so therefore I would know?
Why associate moi with "bid rigging"? Whats the connection? zg
 
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zengrifter

zengrifter

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mdlbj said:
I went to write a piece on what they had to offer hence why I did not pay to go, and yes I got a lot out of it. Met Jeff Haney as well. He is a good person to be in contact with ;)

Shilling no, explaining my thoughts yeah.
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Where did the MIT story you wrote run (other than HERE)? zg

Ps- Did Jeff say to say hi?
 
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mdlbj

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It ran here:(Dead link: http://www.blackjackinstitute.com/store/article1.php)

You name has not come up when I have talked to Jeff.

P.s Just ribbing you ZG, we know you are innocent of all the crap they tried to lay on you.
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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mdlbj said:
It ran here:(Dead link: http://www.blackjackinstitute.com/store/article1.php)Just ribbing you ZG, we know you are innocent of all the crap they tried to lay on you.
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But you said "bid-rigging"?

BTW, if you propositioned them that you would write a couple of 800 word articles,
in exchange for 800$ class, I think that was a good self-promotion on your part. zg
 
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zengrifter

zengrifter

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I wonder what happened to Cardshark83? zg
Shill Marketing, from Wise Geek:

The concept of shill marketing is simple. People tend to feel more comfortable with a product or service if they know someone else who has a good experience with it. If someone who isn't associated with the company tells you how good it is, the claim will probably be more convincing than if it came from the company spokesman.

A shill marketing worker is actually employed by the company, but pretends not to be. The shill marketer acts like a regular customer and tries to encourage people to buy the product. Often times in shill marketing, multiple shills work together, reinforcing each other's story and engaging in a conversation about how great the product is.

Chat rooms, message boards, and blogs are common stages for an Internet shill marketing campaign.

Employees engaged in a shill marketing setup register one or more accounts on an Internet service, a message board for example. Usually one of the shill marketers will ask an innocent sounding question. "I was interested in buying product X. Has anyone heard anything about it?" This is the classic shill marketing setup.

Another user, possibly the same person using a different account login, will answer the first question by praising the product. "Oh yeah, I started using product X a month ago and I love it. I use it all the time. It's the best product in the whole world!"

Shill marketers sometimes try to bring other members of the message board into the discussion, but the hook is already set. Anyone who isn't familiar with the shill marketing setup might believe that the endorsement is real, and not just a cheap trick. Obviously, not all product endorsements are shill marketing in disguise. If the setup seems too perfect, and the answer is quick and only offers rave reviews, it's possible that you're not seeing an actual testimonial, but shill marketing in action.
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Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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mdlbj said:
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As for MAZ, he is a great player and dos not put up with BS. He like to rib people but, he has got the game to back up what he is spitting out...
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News flash: we all do. At least, all of the experienced players on this site know advanced techniques and mostly play in a niche which we have modified our play for. An inexperienced player doesn't have $800 from his bankroll to spare for counting lessons, rather he needs to read a couple of $20 books and get out there and earn his stripes. On this site we've watched a young man quickly go from a rookie frustrated because "this counting stuff is hard" to a successful journeyman counter, just with some study, experience, and asking the right questions of the right people.

Furthermore, as far as straight counting goes, being a great one is sort of like being a great cashier or barista. There isn't a whole lot of difference between a great one and an ordinary one, in units of dollars. Sure, I use level 2 and 3 counts but it will be years of play before there is a mathematically significant difference between my play and that of a guy who uses Rookie KO. Therefore for me to represent myself as significantly better at counting than the rookie would demonstrate that either I don't know what I'm talking about, or I'm being dishonest. If I were also attempting to extract $800 from the rookie ostensibly to make him more like me, odds are I'm being dishonest.
 
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mdlbj

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When I was an engineering student, doing hours of research was a pain in the ass. So I thought forget this then I joined of a group of people who had years of experience.

What would take me months to get accomplished, they showed me how to do it in a couple of hours or even minutes. They could have said go read the book but instead they sat there and gave me hands on guided instruction. Maybe the poster would have never started "Man this counting stuff is hard" if he was given some good advise from a knowledgeable and skilled player one on one.

I not trying to sell anything, but if I could start over again, I would seek out a pro to help me get up to par.

I hear what you are saying, and your point is well taken. But there are better ways of learning a somewhat difficult skill.
 
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zengrifter

zengrifter

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mdlbj said:
You name has not come up when I have talked to Jeff.
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This is Jeff -
ZG Interview page 32:
One of my bigger wins was at the old Reserve in Henderson while loudly chanting ‘Nam-Myo-Ho-Renge-Kyo.’ Afterwards, a teammate stepped within earshot of the pit-critters who had been in attendance and overheard them discussing, “What do you think he was chanting?” to which the other replied, “He was probably putting a curse on us.”​
 
sagefr0g

sagefr0g

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mdlbj said:
When I was an engineering student, doing hours of research was a pain in the ass. So I thought forget this then I joined of a group of people who had years of experience.

What would take me months to get accomplished, they showed me how to do it in a couple of hours or even minutes. They could have said go read the book but instead they sat there and gave me hands on guided instruction. Maybe the poster would have never started "Man this counting stuff is hard" if he was given some good advise from a knowledgeable and skilled player one on one.

I not trying to sell anything, but if I could start over again, I would seek out a pro to help me get up to par.

I hear what you are saying, and your point is well taken. But there are better ways of learning a somewhat difficult skill.
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point well taken about picking up some sage advice from a pro. probably hopefully they held back some information that they hold dearly from you and your seminar mates.
then again any of that information can be gleaned from self directed study. these things that you learned in several minutes are i trust valuable and effective.
i doubt several minutes, hours or days of such instruction can yield anyone the depth of knowledge and understanding that the likes of Mike Aponte and a host of others that post on this board and others have attained.
 
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mdlbj

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They did not hold anything back, in fact they even had a former casino manager there to give some great advise on how not to get backed off, barred etc. I suppose if one can not do grade school math or focus for a few hours it may take them a little longer to learn and apply the skill of card counting but in all, its a relatively short study with the right material and guidance.

The only subject they did not cover was how They worked as a team but they did talk about methods of team play.



sagefr0g said:
point well taken about picking up some sage advice from a pro. probably hopefully they held back some information that they hold dearly from you and your seminar mates.
then again any of that information can be gleaned from self directed study. these things that you learned in several minutes are i trust valuable and effective.
i doubt several minutes, hours or days of such instruction can yield anyone the depth of knowledge and understanding that the likes of Mike Aponte and a host of others that post on this board and others have attained.
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mdlbj

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Even if I were trying to lure people to buy their ****, it would not fall under this premis.

Get on Skype.


n.

One who poses as a satisfied customer or an enthusiastic gambler to dupe bystanders into participating in a swindle.

v., shilled, shill·ing, shills.

v.intr.

To act as a shill.
v.tr.

1. To act as a shill for (a deceitful enterprise).
2. To lure (a person) into a swindle.
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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mdlbj said:
Even if I were trying to lure people to buy their ****, it would not fall under this premis.

Get on Skype.


n.

One who poses as a satisfied customer or an enthusiastic gambler to dupe bystanders into participating in a swindle.

v., shilled, shill·ing, shills.

v.intr.

To act as a shill.
v.tr.

1. To act as a shill for (a deceitful enterprise).
2. To lure (a person) into a swindle.
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Well, those are harsh definitions. Mine were better. zg
 
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