BlackJack Simulation Of Millions hands posted

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johndoe

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What's the expected error on 7 million hands? It's certainly not optimal, considering the high standards of QFIT, but "no meaning"?

I'd be curious how the 7 million hand sims posted compare to others' results.
 
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bjsim

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BJSIM simulation

7 Million hands are equal to playing 112 years every day. The result for 1 Million or 70 milllion or 70 Billion is almost the same. This has a lot of meaning. You can see clearly the diffrent between Basic strategy and BS with couting. QFIT does not provide the results online as BJSIM , The GUI interface is much nicer at BJSIM and it is free.

Look for more advanced strategy to be posted in the next 90 days. Some of them will be unique winning strategy.


BJSIM admin
http://www.bjsim.com
 
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bjsim

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Posting results

Here some results top compare to other side

1. 7 Million hands
Deck no:2 BlackJack Pay:1.5 Surrender:N Shuffle Prc:60 Split Allowed:4 Split A allowed:4
Double After Split:Y Dealer hit Soft 17:N Even Money Rules:Never Insurance Rules:Never Game Style:Vegas
(Dead link: http://www.bjsim.com/sample/BSGWC21M1.htm)
(Dead link: http://www.bjsim.com/sample/BSGWC21M2.htm)

as above 4 decks
(Dead link: http://www.bjsim.com/sample/BSGWC31M1.htm)

With Running count
Deck no:2 BlackJack Pay:1.5 Surrender:N Shuffle Prc:60 Split Allowed:4 Split A allowed:4
Double After Split:Y Dealer hit Soft 17:N Even Money Rules:Never Insurance Rules:Never Game Style:Vegas
Counting Flag:R
(Dead link: http://www.bjsim.com/sample/BSCCC21M1.htm)

4 decks
(Dead link: http://www.bjsim.com/sample/BSCCC31M1.htm)

8 decks
(Dead link: http://www.bjsim.com/sample/BSCCC41M1.htm)

BJSIM ADMIN
http://www.BJSIM.COM
 
QFIT

QFIT

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#8
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bjsim said:
7 Million hands are equal to playing 112 years every day. The result for 1 Million or 70 milllion or 70 Billion is almost the same.
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It is completely irrelevant how many years of play this is. What counts is the standard error. The standard error with 7 million hands is vastly larger than the difference between counting strategies. With a standard error that large, DAS could actually come out worse than nDAS.
 
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bjsim

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BJSIM stats

At http://www.bjsim.com the goal is to improve your game and a nice GUI presentation. The Split and Souble stat are consiisit and the winning +_ are within 0.001 % . So for the long run it does not make diffrent.
The goal also is to review stat only for specfic CARD count and decide what are the stat for double when the Running count is 10 or -10. This is unique solution online that can nto be found at any other web site.

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http://www.bjsim.com
 
QFIT

QFIT

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The EV is NOT +/-.001%. Nowhere near with 7 million hands. It is not that accurate with 700 million hands. Ask any BJ researcher or statistician. If you make multiple runs and they come out that close, all you have done is prove that your RNG is not up to the task.
 
QFIT

QFIT

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Automatic Monkey said:
Yet, 7 million hands is more than you can play in your life.

Thus, life has no meaning.

Blackjack is so depressing sometimes.
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According to my calculations, life attains meaning only after the 12,547 iterations.
 
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bjsim

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#12
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BJSIM vs QFIT

BjSIM is diffrent than QFIT. Bjsim is in intial staging and focus clrealy on simulations and capture stat qhile QFIT look at it from mathmatical point.
BJSIM may even try to simulate only one weekend at vegas and show what can happend in one weekedn.
Can you run the same simulations from QFIT and compare the results. Thie is a lot of people who want to know the results.

BJSIM admin
http://www.BJSIM.COM
 
QFIT

QFIT

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Sorry, you clearly have no idea what QFIT software does.

Yes CVData can look at small samples. But I warn everyone in the manuals that the results have no meaning. The feature is only there to show that anything can happen in a small sample.
 
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bjsim

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qfit VS bjsim

I just took a look at QFIT. It is still different than BJSIM with diffrent goals.
Yes i was amazed at so many QFIT functionallity. However it is complex and have no value for average BJ player in Las Vegas.
With http://www.BJsim.com it is clear that it is almost impossible in a practical way to bit the casino. Bjsim was develpoed for private use by bored software engieener!!!! and than decided to post it for the public.
Bjsim goal is to simplify the software for each level of player.
Good job on QFIT. After developing BJsim i can apprciate how much effort was put into QFIT. The RNG in BJSIM take into account the Milisecond , date and other functions. So it is correct.

BJSIM admin
http://www.bjsim.com
 
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bjsim

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BJSIM future

Thanks .
Bjsim will be developed more. This is my hobby and Baby.
The question is to what direction. The goal of BJSIM is to improve all levels of BJ PLAYERS while offering it for free. $ will be made from adverize.
(I already make good money from Software developent in any case).
I do not want to develop it as QFIT since QFIT IS alrady their and it did not help me to improve my game in a practical way.

However i would like to hear from members here what you think could help you the most to know about BJ and can be done in http://www.bjsim.com


bjsim Admin
http://www.bjsim.com
 
kewljason

kewljason

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johndoe said:
Well, he did say "average", and I'd say he was absolutely right about that!
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If average refers to the majority of ploppies who play, you may be correct. But these people won't even invest one dollar at the casino gift shop for a basic strategy card or the 30 minutes that it takes to learn such. How much time are they going to spend on a simulator? Apparently they are very happy making periodic donations to the casinos. Anyone who becomes even mildly interested in turning that around, can see the value in Qfit's products, and I don't want to speak for others but the many people on the board who make a living or even suppliment their income playing Blackjack also know the tremendous value of them. Not that I need to defend Norm's work. I think it speaks for itself.
 
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bjsim

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BJSIM vs QFIT

Than Norm from QFIT should respect the effort that BJSIM put into building a free simulator. For begining this is a good product. QFIT seems to post negatively about BJSIM almost every time. Maybe he does not like the future cometitions.

I am making myself Some money from BJSIM stratgies (Not all posted yet). However i can make more money from the software business per hour.

QFIT should stop focusing on the small amount of Rounds.
As he knows it s imposiible to offer Online Simulation for 400 Millions hands online for hundereds of users. Bjsim have No limit in the Simulation. However i am the only who can do it and will post resuls only for the public.
Actaully in future i may post 1 Billion rounds results.

Some of the feature at bjsim are to capture results only for specfic card count and see how the Split and Doubles are behaving.
I will post it with 5-7 Millions rounds for high and low .

As player i find it diffcult to know what decision to make at each card count. BJSIM will simplify the answer.

BJSIM admin
http://www.bjsim.com
 
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