Calculating House Edge & Fair dealer bust at CSM table

[caticleo]

2 questions from a new guy:

1) Where could I find a most pricise information on calculating the house edge with updated complete rule set (including CSM, DAS except ace, etc...)?

2) Casino cheating is everywhere. Once I noticed pit boss replace pile of new cards to a CSM at a winning table. The dealer busted much less and you can imagine what happened next.. How to judge a fair table with CSM? The acceptable dealer bust rate? If yes or no, what should be?

I am a new guy and don't wanna sit at the wrong tables..

Thanks a lot, masters.

Leo

 

[EasyRhino]

The basic strategy engine here will give you house edge for whatever rule set you want.

Also, wizard of odd's page has a section on how an individual rule variant affects the house edge.

As for the cheating, when the cards were replaced for the CSM, were they counted out in front of the table so you could inspect the decks? If so, where would be the cheating exactly?

The cards may have been changed because they were worn and are changed on a regular basis (CSM this may be once or twice a day?). Or, even more bizarrely, they may have been changed if the floorman was extremely superstitious (and dumb).

 

[zengrifter]

2 questions from a new guy:

1) Where could I find a most pricise information on calculating the house edge with updated complete rule set (including CSM, DAS except ace, etc...)?

2) Casino cheating is everywhere. Once I noticed pit boss replace pile of new cards to a CSM at a winning table. The dealer busted much less and you can imagine what happened next.. How to judge a fair table with CSM? The acceptable dealer bust rate? If yes or no, what should be?

I am a new guy and don't wanna sit at the wrong tables..

Thanks a lot, masters.

Leo

Casino cheating is next to nil. The calculated edge based on rules, etc. is only valid if you play correct basic strategy - do you think you know correct BS? zg

 

[caticleo]

The basic strategy engine here will give you house edge for whatever rule set you want.

Also, wizard of odd's page has a section on how an individual rule variant affects the house edge.

As for the cheating, when the cards were replaced for the CSM, were they counted out in front of the table so you could inspect the decks? If so, where would be the cheating exactly?

The cards may have been changed because they were worn and are changed on a regular basis (CSM this may be once or twice a day?). Or, even more bizarrely, they may have been changed if the floorman was extremely superstitious (and dumb).

Thanks a lot for your answer.
Here are my further comments:

1) [basic strategy engine] seems contain less rule sets than I expected, such as ES10 (which I think might bring different house odd than ES), NHC (US style, which means players lose original bet only when his splited hands encounter dealer's BJ), CSM (with which might be different to BS player and card counters), DAS exept Ace (it might be different from DAS?)

2) Referring to CSM cheating, what I saw was at a 5 deck table with one2six CSM and suspicious cheating were: a) pit came and add a small pile of cards (say 10 or 20 cards) without showing to players the cards' value. They just add some cards. or, b) pit came and opened the CSM, took out one or two stacks of cards, closed the CSM and let it run, then add some same amount of cards to the machine without showing any of the card value. I suspect both are kinda cheating. What's your idea?

There are only CSM games near my place, card counting seemingly not possible. I need badly to calculate the exact house edge to avoid boarding the wrong vessel...

Would appreciate for your further advice.

 

[caticleo]

Casino cheating is next to nil. The calculated edge based on rules, etc. is only valid if you play correct basic strategy - do you think you know correct BS? zg

I have studied some articles from Arnold Snyder's forum on BS and customized some BS especially for my nearby casinos with different rules. I assume that I can play correct BS already, after 6 months table battles.

Is [DAS] different from [DAS exept Ace split] in house edge?

Can CSM bring player edge if he is just a BS player not a counter?


Thanks

 

[Sonny]

Is [DAS] different from [DAS exept Ace split] in house edge?

Typically DAS does not include split aces. It is very rare to be able to double down on a split ace. If you can find a game that allows you to double down on split aces then the house edge would be different than the standard DAS game.

Can CSM bring player edge if he is just a BS player not a counter?

Nope. Why would the casino offer a game that gave the players an edge off the top? If it was that easy then everyone would be rich and the casinos would be out of business.

-Sonny-

 

[caticleo]

Typically DAS does not include split aces. It is very rare to be able to double down on a split ace. If you can find a game that allows you to double down on split aces then the house edge would be different than the standard DAS game.



Nope. Why would the casino offer a game that gave the players an edge off the top? If it was that easy then everyone would be rich and the casinos would be out of business.

-Sonny-

Thanks Sonny. Actually my chaos came from this article:
http://www.gypsyware.com/oddsOfWinning.html

In this "The Odds of Winning a Blackjack Game", I found the following content which imply to reverse my original ideas respectively:

DAS - Double Down after Splitting
You are allowed to double down even after splitting.
+ .13 %
[LEO] I can understand this one.

Double After Split Allowed EXCEPT on Aces
You can double down after splitting, except when you've split Aces.
- .08 %
[LEO] What is this...?

he House Edge Using Continuous Shuffle Machines
A Continuous Shuffle Machine is like playing with a fresh shoe with every hand. This is actually to the player's advantage unless you are counting cards. The house makes up for the lost advantage by the fact that the dealer can deal about 20% more hands per hour. This means that the house's advantage is increased by sheer volume of hands dealt. For the player, this means that your losses will be greater. If the house edge is 95%, you are losing $5 for every $100 you bet. If you are playing 20% more hands per hour, your losses will increase accordingly.
# of Decks Continuous Shuffling Machine Affect on Odds
1 + 1.13 %
2 + 0.63 %
4 + 0.34 %
6 + 0.20 %
8 + 0.14 %

[LEO]The above conclusion on CSM surprised me a lot...

Your comments on this article, please?

Best wishes,
-Leo

 

[Sonny]

The house makes up for the lost advantage by the fact that the dealer can deal about 20% more hands per hour. This means that the house's advantage is increased by sheer volume of hands dealt.

That is true, but the advantage lost by playing more hands is offset by the more normalized distribution of the cards. A CSM may be dealing out more high cards than a standard hand-shuffled game:

http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/appendix10.html

I believe The Wizard’s conclusion was that the CSM game is roughly equal to a standard game.

-Sonny-

 

[tribute]

CSM's

I have read somewhere, that for basic strategy, comparing to a 6 deck shoe, a CSM's house advantage is slightly less due to the "cut card effect". Also, where I play, they contain only 4 decks. (Fewer decks being more favorable to the player) However, as stated many times elsewhere, more hands per hour equals losing entire bankroll faster.