Camo Betting Question
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You have misunderstood; but that is entirely my fault as I was pedantic and rambling.
The purpose of "camo'" is to give the impression that you are no more
than a typical local loser or tourist, playing at a hefty disadvantage.
So ... if they are confident in "reading" that you are a losing player, then there is no reason for them to "sweat" your game, or much worse, to pick up the phone, and have surveillance run a "skills check" on you.
You have misunderstood; but that is entirely my fault as I was pedantic and rambling.
The purpose of "camo'" is to give the impression that you are no more
than a typical local loser or tourist, playing at a hefty disadvantage.
So ... if they are confident in "reading" that you are a losing player, then there is no reason for them to "sweat" your game, or much worse, to pick up the phone, and have surveillance run a "skills check" on you.
Is it characteristic of local losers and tourists to begin a session playing very poorly, and slightly improve their play to something that's less than optimal (as judged by the casino staff)? That is my missing piece of the puzzle. I guess local losers and tourists behave and bet in a variety of way.
"Is it characteristic of local losers and tourists to begin a session playing very poorly, and slightly improve their play to something that's less than optimal (as judged by the casino staff)? That is my missing piece of the puzzle. I guess local losers and tourists behave and bet in a variety of way.".
It is a mistake to credit your adversary with less intellect than he possesses, but it is almost as bad to credit him with more.
If your sessions are short they will not have the requisite time to revisit your skill level. If the tables are crowded they cannot afford the time and effort to continue to monitor your play.
No it is NOT characteristic for any common player to "slightly improve their play", the floor-persons are but rarely capable of divining such fine distinctions; and the pit bosses are not that much better. Besides, the pit critters do not want to call the "Eye in the Sky" and then be told that the player in question is not an A.P. They reveal their lack of knowledge and thus they "lose face" that way.
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Not too sure here
I would think a real novice to the tables would improve his game and then slightly improve.
The regular, local losers that I see are different. They typically play their own brand of either basic strategy wrong or play by the seat of their pants. Once they have played for a period of time, if they are losing they now often begin to overbet, and the result most often is overbetting is playing worse. They also might make play decisions worse than usual based upon their overbetting. Now afraid to double or split a hand they should or now afraid to bust on a big bet even though they usually might hit that same stiff with a smaller bet.
We on the other hand might find a indice play that might fit into this loser profile on a big bet while either winning or losing. For instance, you have a max bet out and get a 15vs dealer 10 on a count of over +4, where the indice calls for you to stay. So you play properly and stay. If you have had no past notice from the pit, the pit might think you might be an advantage player but if he already thinks of you as a typical loser he will just see your move as your fear of busting in a big hand.
As Flash said earlier, this kind of playing depends much on your ability to act or sell yourself early on as a loser. It comes with many things and not everyone can do these things. You need to be cold and calculatating on the inside while appearing to be completely stressed and steaming fearfully on the outside.
Now if you are having a winning session just think how this same kind of person appears while winning. Often talkative, celebrating, high fiving other players, just a guy on a high while winning and yet on the inside you are still just as cold and calculating. Combine all these kinds of behavior with the ability to carry on a conversation with the pit, dealer or CW, while never losing the count and ability to play proper indices and you are an AP who really hardly has to give up EV for cover. The problem is that in my experience, the abilities to do all of this is beyond many people.
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I would think a real novice to the tables would improve his game and then slightly improve.
The regular, local losers that I see are different. They typically play their own brand of either basic strategy wrong or play by the seat of their pants. Once they have played for a period of time, if they are losing they now often begin to overbet, and the result most often is overbetting is playing worse. They also might make play decisions worse than usual based upon their overbetting. Now afraid to double or split a hand they should or now afraid to bust on a big bet even though they usually might hit that same stiff with a smaller bet.
We on the other hand might find a indice play that might fit into this loser profile on a big bet while either winning or losing. For instance, you have a max bet out and get a 15vs dealer 10 on a count of over +4, where the indice calls for you to stay. So you play properly and stay. If you have had no past notice from the pit, the pit might think you might be an advantage player but if he already thinks of you as a typical loser he will just see your move as your fear of busting in a big hand.
As Flash said earlier, this kind of playing depends much on your ability to act or sell yourself early on as a loser. It comes with many things and not everyone can do these things. You need to be cold and calculatating on the inside while appearing to be completely stressed and steaming fearfully on the outside.
Now if you are having a winning session just think how this same kind of person appears while winning. Often talkative, celebrating, high fiving other players, just a guy on a high while winning and yet on the inside you are still just as cold and calculating. Combine all these kinds of behavior with the ability to carry on a conversation with the pit, dealer or CW, while never losing the count and ability to play proper indices and you are an AP who really hardly has to give up EV for cover. The problem is that in my experience, the abilities to do all of this is beyond many people.
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