I thought I saw a thread with the same title on here some time ago but can't seem to find it....so I first apologize if I have breached "thread etiquette" with a double thread or am posting this in the wrong forum.........anyway....
I was playing last night at my "1 hour & 10 minute away from home base joint" and witnessed the following:
I'm at the tail end of great plus count shoe and am playing 2 hands from the 3rd base seat with 3 other players. I have 12x min bet out there on both hands (using a 2x 1-15 spread). The dealer's up card is an ace. I have a BJ on my first hand and 8/8 on the 2nd hand. The count at the start of the deal was very close to the index for insurance but the count fell decidedly after the initial deal of 2 cards/per.
I took even money on my BJ becuase it's close enough to the index to justify and I don't want to push with that large of a bet. I initially decide not to insure the 8/8 because the count has fallen, and is now not close enough to the index to justify. I'm thinking that I don't want to attract heat on the play by insuring the stiff.
Ploppy to my right insures his 20 for 1/4 of his bet as he blurts out "insure for less". The dealer checks for black jack and starts to motion to flip over his ten, but just as he starts the movement, the ploppy thinks better of his decision and starts to add the rest of his insurance bet to his pile...he then hesitates when he realizes it may be too late to add to his insurance bet. The dealer stops his movement of flipping the ten, and says to the ploppy, "you can still add the full insurance amount".
I then put out a full insurance bet on my 8/8 and actually insured "for more" to see I could get away with it because now I know the dealer has BJ. The dealer said nothing to me, but then asked if anyone else wanted insurance. The other players didn't budge which told me that they didn't notice the obvious fact that the dealer had the ten in the hole.
He then re-checks the hole card and flips his ten. He takes my IB and pays my more than 1/2 insurance bet at 2 to 1. It was the last hand of the shoe so I colored up and walked with a plus 68 unit win after giving the dealer a generous tip for his efforts.
It was so obvious to me what he did that I thought it would look like collusion to a PB or the eye if anyone was watching so I thought it best to walk. I will seek this dealer out again however.
I was playing last night at my "1 hour & 10 minute away from home base joint" and witnessed the following:
I'm at the tail end of great plus count shoe and am playing 2 hands from the 3rd base seat with 3 other players. I have 12x min bet out there on both hands (using a 2x 1-15 spread). The dealer's up card is an ace. I have a BJ on my first hand and 8/8 on the 2nd hand. The count at the start of the deal was very close to the index for insurance but the count fell decidedly after the initial deal of 2 cards/per.
I took even money on my BJ becuase it's close enough to the index to justify and I don't want to push with that large of a bet. I initially decide not to insure the 8/8 because the count has fallen, and is now not close enough to the index to justify. I'm thinking that I don't want to attract heat on the play by insuring the stiff.
Ploppy to my right insures his 20 for 1/4 of his bet as he blurts out "insure for less". The dealer checks for black jack and starts to motion to flip over his ten, but just as he starts the movement, the ploppy thinks better of his decision and starts to add the rest of his insurance bet to his pile...he then hesitates when he realizes it may be too late to add to his insurance bet. The dealer stops his movement of flipping the ten, and says to the ploppy, "you can still add the full insurance amount".
I then put out a full insurance bet on my 8/8 and actually insured "for more" to see I could get away with it because now I know the dealer has BJ. The dealer said nothing to me, but then asked if anyone else wanted insurance. The other players didn't budge which told me that they didn't notice the obvious fact that the dealer had the ten in the hole.
He then re-checks the hole card and flips his ten. He takes my IB and pays my more than 1/2 insurance bet at 2 to 1. It was the last hand of the shoe so I colored up and walked with a plus 68 unit win after giving the dealer a generous tip for his efforts.
It was so obvious to me what he did that I thought it would look like collusion to a PB or the eye if anyone was watching so I thought it best to walk. I will seek this dealer out again however.
