Casino Stole my winnings please help

[Blue Efficacy]

Thank you for your non support!!! Yes indian casinos are the worst ....They even might take you out back and beat you...If you have zero balls please stay away... Hell their table maxes are teeny tiny...not worth the effort for most..
Most of them are in the back woods and the drive to them is hell...No freeways, no crowds...the scenery sucks.. I mean who would want to combine a vacation with your play...Now there are some nice mega indain casinos,,,please do enjoy those stores..

Machinist

The Indian casinos in my area for the most part have fair game and low minimums. I have always enjoyed playing them. Some of the best games can be had at Indian casinos.

Sure there are a few bad apples. But I doubt nobody has ever been ripped off by the white man's casinos either.

 

[Sucker]

But I doubt nobody has ever been ripped off by the white man's casinos either.

I once had $2000 in chips confiscated by Trump Plaza. Their minions at the CCC agreed with them. The judge saw otherwise & ordered them returned.

 

[WABJ11]

You were banned, but yet kept going back? Am I the only person that see's this as 'lucky to be out of jail'? They banned you and you still played...sorry, no crying from here. Next time have someone else cash in your chips.

I think you are totally missing the point here. So what if he had been banned? They willingly accepted his action and took his bets. If he had lost the entire $1,000 would they have refunded his stake? Jackpot Junction has a pretty fool proof system here. They win, they keep the money. They lose, they don't pay...

Stay away from Jackpot Junction.

 

[Sucker]

I think you are totally missing the point here. So what if he had been banned? They willingly accepted his action and took his bets. If he had lost the entire $1,000 would they have refunded his stake? Jackpot Junction has a pretty fool proof system here. They win, they keep the money. They lose, they don't pay...

Stay away from Jackpot Junction.

Yes; I'm having a hard time understanding why there are so many people on this site who somehow seem to be taking the side of a casino which performs a criminal act of robbery.

 

[jack.jackson]

Yes; I'm having a hard time understanding why there are so many people on this site who somehow seem to be taking the side of a casino which performs a criminal act of robbery.

Sure! They knew who he was from the moment he walked in! If they were going to do something, they should of had him arrested for trespassing. They waited to see if he was up or down. If he was down, they wouldnt of said anything. They only brought up the issue, because he was up. Which how did they know, he bought in for 1K? But then again, Casinos are not legally obligated to pay underage patrons who hit Jackpots, so they do have a case. Long-story-short this is a form of cheating in My Book. And I guarantee, this wouldnt be their first complaint either. As im sure theres been several.

I agree with you, in filing a complaint, which is also a gamble itself. Nevertheless, its the priniciple at stake here, however, dont be surpised if the tape from that night, mysteriously disappeared. Provided it could be proven, the Lawyer fees are irrelevant to me.

 

[creeping panther]

Sucker

Yes; I'm having a hard time understanding why there are so many people on this site who somehow seem to be taking the side of a casino which performs a criminal act of robbery.

I am not going to condemn on just one side of the story,,there may be more here than we are seeing.

The facts are the facts, of what we know,,he was banned, anything that comes after that is influenced by that fact.

I have never seen chip cashing denied, confiscated, without extenuating circumstances initiated by the player.

CP

 

[Automatic Monkey]

I am not going to condemn on just one side of the story,,there may be more here than we are seeing.

The facts are the facts, of what we know,,he was banned, anything that comes after that is influenced by that fact.

I have never seen chip cashing denied, confiscated, without extenuating circumstances initiated by the player.

CP

If you won the bet, you get the money. That is the code of ethics of even the lowliest back-alley gambler. Apparently these people are much lower than that.

Please do not confuse your feelings about human relations with this. It is not an indictment of anyone's ethnicity or tribe, just the behavior of the individuals who made this decision, and it would be no different of the casino was owned by a tribe, or Wynn or Trump. Lack of consequences provides a moral hazard for all humans equally, and if the Wynn family or Trump family were extended limited sovereignty and self-regulation, we could be certain of seeing the same behavior in those places too.

 

[blackjack avenger]

They Will Push It

The indian reservations have sovereignty at our discretion. These acts may get more frequent and hostile because they think there is no recourse for the abused. They may bar more looking to deny payoffs, expand the boundaries of those they will refuse payment to etc.

The next move might be to 86 and deny payoff at the same time.

It may come back to bite them.:joker::whip:

Do you think the US government would sit back if Americans were being repeatedly robbed on soverign land? With the backing of tribal governments?

 

[creeping panther]

Am

If you won the bet, you get the money. That is the code of ethics of even the lowliest back-alley gambler. Apparently these people are much lower than that.

Please do not confuse your feelings about human relations with this. It is not an indictment of anyone's ethnicity or tribe, just the behavior of the individuals who made this decision, and it would be no different of the casino was owned by a tribe, or Wynn or Trump. Lack of consequences provides a moral hazard for all humans equally, and if the Wynn family or Trump family were extended limited sovereignty and self-regulation, we could be certain of seeing the same behavior in those places too.

When I have seen this happen it was caused by the player refusing to follow federal law concerning cash transaction, refusing to show ID in relation to federal law, pushing security, being caught with fake id, money laundering, and now banning. There was one case of a tribe refusing to cash $3,700 in chips following a barring and that tribe earned a bad reputation even amongst the tribal members for being crooked.

CP

 

[aslan]

I am not going to condemn on just one side of the story,,there may be more here than we are seeing.

The facts are the facts, of what we know,,he was banned, anything that comes after that is influenced by that fact.

I have never seen chip cashing denied, confiscated, without extenuating circumstances initiated by the player.

CP

If you take the bet, you pay the bet. No other rationalization matters.

Had he lost, he would not have gotten his money back. I call it robbery by legal authorities. The sentence for such abuse should be double what it is for common criminals who flaunt the law, but do not hide behind it.

 

[bigplayer]

Native American Casinos

I particularly did not like the threat leveled at you.

However, the barring on record gives them an argument against you.

Better to forget about it unless you desire to take it to Tribal Court.

CP

Best bet, go to the Tribal Gaming Commission, the National Indian gaming commission. The previous barring is not an argument against you. It's up to them to refuse your action and you should never admit to a previous barring, maybe they entered it in the computer but didn't tell you.

Finally, had you lost would they have refunded your money? I think Not.

 

[bigplayer]

When I have seen this happen it was caused by the player refusing to follow federal law concerning cash transaction, refusing to show ID in relation to federal law, pushing security, being caught with fake id, money laundering, and now banning. There was one case of a tribe refusing to cash $3,700 in chips following a barring and that tribe earned a bad reputation even amongst the tribal members for being crooked.

CP

Playing blackjack in a casino after being backed off is not a violation of any law, tribal or otherwise. He was not trespassed, just told they didn't want his blackjack action anymore. If anything their allowing him to play for several trips can be legally construed as a tacit reversal of their decision to not want his action.

 

[creeping panther]

Big

Playing blackjack in a casino after being backed off is not a violation of any law, tribal or otherwise. He was not trespassed, just told they didn't want his blackjack action anymore. If anything their allowing him to play for several trips can be legally construed as a tacit reversal of their decision to not want his action.

All very good arguments you bring up.

However, was he trespassed or barred?

Also how much money does he want to spend fighting it?

I have read many of his previous posts in researching this event and I come away thinking I really need to hear the other side of the story.

We both know that sovern tribes have great leway in their actions and I am not one to hinder that ability for them to protect themselves,,,maybe that is why they tend to offer very fair games,,,because they feel comfortable doing so as they are in complete charge and no court outside of tribal will inject outside influence over their actions. They feel safe and confident, as thay once did 140 years ago or more.

CP

 

[aslan]

All very good arguments you bring up.

However, was he trespassed or barred?

Also how much money does he want to spend fighting it?

I have read many of his previous posts in researching this event and I come away thinking I really need to hear the other side of the story.

We both know that sovern tribes have great leway in their actions and I am not one to hinder that ability for them to protect themselves,,,maybe that is why they tend to offer very fair games,,,because they feel comfortable doing so as they are in complete charge and no court outside of tribal will inject outside influence over their actions. They feel safe and confident, as thay once did 140 years ago or more.

CP

We can only judge as to what we know. It goes without saying that new facts could change our opinions. However, we can make judgments as to the details given, assuming they are factual and the other side has nothing to add. That is all the commenters here are doing. Also, I assume that Tribal casinos are no more just nor unjust than non-Tribal casinos, having no other facts to substantiate a different perspective, and by the same token, that Native Americans are no more honorable nor dishonorable than non-Native Americans.

 

[KimLee]

go to the Tribal Gaming Commission, the National Indian gaming commission. The previous barring is not an argument against you. ... maybe they entered it in the computer but didn't tell you.

Nice post. The Supreme Court of Nevada established in Chen vs. Monte Carlo that playing under a different identity after being backed off does not give Nevada casinos the right to confiscate your winnings. Of course this is not binding on Sovereign Indian Nations.

Some backoffs are just a quick "You're done". It may be unclear whether the backoff is just for one day or for life. There could also be cases of mistaken identity.

If you think sovereign immunity hurts the blackjack reputation, imagine trying to conduct other business on the reservation.