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Watch out for dealers wearing multiple rings combined with a single band-aid on pitch games.
The band-aid give the needed friction for the dealer to deal seconds. (Dealing seconds is when the dealer slightly pushes back the top card on a pitch game.)
The rings are used to see the value of the card--the dealer then deals the second card in the deck continually until he needs the top card to either hurt you or help himself. It's a very easy sleight-of-hand that can't be seen by the average player.
FD
The band-aid give the needed friction for the dealer to deal seconds. (Dealing seconds is when the dealer slightly pushes back the top card on a pitch game.)
The rings are used to see the value of the card--the dealer then deals the second card in the deck continually until he needs the top card to either hurt you or help himself. It's a very easy sleight-of-hand that can't be seen by the average player.
FD
Dealer cheating in shoe games is extremely unlikely, BUT casino cheating is commonplace in many parts of the world, (e.g. the Caribbean); with the simplest method being that of altering the composition of the cards in the shoe.
In H17 games extra 4's substantially increase the House Advantage while creating illusory High True Counts falsely suggesting that the player's chances are enhanced.
In S17 games 5's may be added, OR some aces may be removed, reducing the chances of patrons receiving blackjacks.
NEVER play in a casino where the cards are not spread out for public inspection at least once a day.
In H17 games extra 4's substantially increase the House Advantage while creating illusory High True Counts falsely suggesting that the player's chances are enhanced.
In S17 games 5's may be added, OR some aces may be removed, reducing the chances of patrons receiving blackjacks.
NEVER play in a casino where the cards are not spread out for public inspection at least once a day.
being somewhat experienced in the art of sleight of hand, I can assure you that band-aids are both completely unnecessary and suspicious when attempting to deal seconds. Other forms of cheating includes preferential up cards, where the dealer tries to get 10s as his upcard more often to get ayers to bust, preferential shuffling (is this actually illegal? I believe I read this somewhere), as well as intentional mispays. There are plenty of different cheating techniques, but in general is not that big of a problem in the states.
Where has all the civility gone in this society? I took the high road and let your first load comment go--but now you're clearly being rude and disrespectful, Sir.
You are most certainly entitled to your opinion--but you act as if your opinion is the Law. Debate is good for this forum--as long as it's done in a respectful manner.
The fact is the details I described were discussed over at BJ21.com--where one of its members warned of this very kind of cheating at the Island View in Biloxi.
Even if the story was pure fabrication and was the work of a disgruntled former employee, for example--are you actually saying a sleight-hand-artist couldn't see paint in a ring--and that this type of cheating has never happened before?
Hardly.
And I never said this was a freqent occurence--cheating is actually infrequent in the United States. The original poster wondered HOW exactly a dealer cheats.
Now, why don't we just agree to disagree, quit wasting everyone's time with this, and get on with more important things?
You are most certainly entitled to your opinion--but you act as if your opinion is the Law. Debate is good for this forum--as long as it's done in a respectful manner.
The fact is the details I described were discussed over at BJ21.com--where one of its members warned of this very kind of cheating at the Island View in Biloxi.
Even if the story was pure fabrication and was the work of a disgruntled former employee, for example--are you actually saying a sleight-hand-artist couldn't see paint in a ring--and that this type of cheating has never happened before?
Hardly.
And I never said this was a freqent occurence--cheating is actually infrequent in the United States. The original poster wondered HOW exactly a dealer cheats.
Now, why don't we just agree to disagree, quit wasting everyone's time with this, and get on with more important things?
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RJT:
There’s no reason to get personal.
As Ken Smith says in the Posting Guidelines for this site “While intelligent people can and will disagree, make an extra effort to be civil.”
It's unprovoked attacks like yours that discourage participation, run off good members who are sick of the unprovoked personal attacks, turn off new members like the original poster of this thread, and hurt good message boards like this one.
You could have said "I disagree with you and here are the reasons why"--and then presented your argument in a respectful and logical progression. That I could have respected. But don't just come in and hurl three-word insults at people and leave--that's just flat out rude, Sir. In fact, if all Educators acted this way, not many people would care to get an education, would they?
"You'll get respect when you deserve it."
You're wrong, Sir: all human beings deserve respect--right down to the Janitor at every multi-billion dollar corporation.
Now really, this is getting old--so if you insist on pursing an obsession of confrontation and that only you are always right, then quit wasting everyone's time here and take this personal fight of yours off this public message board and send me a PM.
Finn Dog
There’s no reason to get personal.
As Ken Smith says in the Posting Guidelines for this site “While intelligent people can and will disagree, make an extra effort to be civil.”
It's unprovoked attacks like yours that discourage participation, run off good members who are sick of the unprovoked personal attacks, turn off new members like the original poster of this thread, and hurt good message boards like this one.
You could have said "I disagree with you and here are the reasons why"--and then presented your argument in a respectful and logical progression. That I could have respected. But don't just come in and hurl three-word insults at people and leave--that's just flat out rude, Sir. In fact, if all Educators acted this way, not many people would care to get an education, would they?
"You'll get respect when you deserve it."
You're wrong, Sir: all human beings deserve respect--right down to the Janitor at every multi-billion dollar corporation.
Now really, this is getting old--so if you insist on pursing an obsession of confrontation and that only you are always right, then quit wasting everyone's time here and take this personal fight of yours off this public message board and send me a PM.
Finn Dog
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After playing blackjack for several years, I only remember one dealer I ever suspected of dealing seconds or cheating. He was just too fast and smooth and kept making incredible hands. This happened his entire shift. However, I don't understand why a dealer would cheat in a big U.S. casino, other than getting some weird personal gratification, or trying to assist a player in collusion with him. Why would a dealer, or casino management, want to subject themselves to severe penalties?
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There is an absolute reason - you are a total wannabe fraud. I'm sorry but you story reaks of ****. you've never experenced this and you are passing on someone else's second hand story as if it's real. Grow up.
And as it happens - you don't just warrent respect - you earn it. Respect isn't something that's just what you get, you have to show that you're worthy of it - after that story you've shown that you're not. Boo hoo about all the people that'll walk away - i'd rather they walked away than listen to the bullsh*t your spewing. At least they'd have taken a positive step. When you want to discuss cheating in realistic terms fair doos, but you are portraying yourself as if you know sh*t about anything when you clearly don't.
By the way, everyone should watch out for dealer in red skirts - they cheat like f*** - jees.
BTW i wouldn waste my time or my PM space messaging you.
RJT.
And as it happens - you don't just warrent respect - you earn it. Respect isn't something that's just what you get, you have to show that you're worthy of it - after that story you've shown that you're not. Boo hoo about all the people that'll walk away - i'd rather they walked away than listen to the bullsh*t your spewing. At least they'd have taken a positive step. When you want to discuss cheating in realistic terms fair doos, but you are portraying yourself as if you know sh*t about anything when you clearly don't.
By the way, everyone should watch out for dealer in red skirts - they cheat like f*** - jees.
BTW i wouldn waste my time or my PM space messaging you.
RJT.
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I thought I made it perfectly clear this has ended publicly--what part about that didn't you understand, Sir?
Can't you comprehend that this type of exchange could go on for the next 5 pages ad nauseam over the next month and nothing would get accomplished? Do you really have nothing better to do?
Additionally, I'm grown tired of exposing your disrespectful behavior and embarrassing you in front of the community. The more you can't let this go, the more you continue to expose. (I'm almost starting to feel sorry for you.)
Almost.
As for continuing this any further publicly: I refer you to my previous response.
A good evening to you, Sir!
FD
Can't you comprehend that this type of exchange could go on for the next 5 pages ad nauseam over the next month and nothing would get accomplished? Do you really have nothing better to do?
Additionally, I'm grown tired of exposing your disrespectful behavior and embarrassing you in front of the community. The more you can't let this go, the more you continue to expose. (I'm almost starting to feel sorry for you.)
Almost.
As for continuing this any further publicly: I refer you to my previous response.
A good evening to you, Sir!
FD
Not sure if it means anything, but I can vouch for RJT not only being a well educated man, but a talented bj player as well. I myself am not the greatest with spelling or grammar. That should not take away from a message. Many of us are educated in other fields and its not imperative that we be wordsmiths to function in everday life.
And what of RJT's message. Its obvious he's passionate that he make aware the truth about cheating dealers. That there just aren't that many of them. Its the truth. I would even say that there are so few at least here in the States that if you actually did run across one, the results of it would be absorbed into the other variables of play as long as you played at least on a semi regular basis. Which it seems all here at least claim to.
Listen, I play this game alot. Its very important I play well, often, and find the best opportunities. Throughout my years of play I do not think I found any dealer purposely trying to cheat me. If they did, they were damn good at it, but my bottomline still shows profit.
Maybe its a topic of discussion, but its not a very relevant one. Not for me anyway, or any that want to deal with real world blackjack issues. I find that most of the newer less experienced players need to push a topic such as this. Its usually due to the misunderstanding of how the games results play out. If there is actual factual news of a casino getting caught cheating, that would be someting that would at least spark my interest. But the fact is, there is no need to fix a game that already has odds stacked in their favor anyway. Getting caught cheating eats up alot of +EV for a casino.
Some people express themselves bluntly and to the point, I can respect that. I don't need my info sugar coated, nor do I think if something angers another they can't express it. It may not be for all, I understand that, but I assure you there is no reason to feel sorry for RJT. I'm sure he'll do just fine.
And what of RJT's message. Its obvious he's passionate that he make aware the truth about cheating dealers. That there just aren't that many of them. Its the truth. I would even say that there are so few at least here in the States that if you actually did run across one, the results of it would be absorbed into the other variables of play as long as you played at least on a semi regular basis. Which it seems all here at least claim to.
Listen, I play this game alot. Its very important I play well, often, and find the best opportunities. Throughout my years of play I do not think I found any dealer purposely trying to cheat me. If they did, they were damn good at it, but my bottomline still shows profit.
Maybe its a topic of discussion, but its not a very relevant one. Not for me anyway, or any that want to deal with real world blackjack issues. I find that most of the newer less experienced players need to push a topic such as this. Its usually due to the misunderstanding of how the games results play out. If there is actual factual news of a casino getting caught cheating, that would be someting that would at least spark my interest. But the fact is, there is no need to fix a game that already has odds stacked in their favor anyway. Getting caught cheating eats up alot of +EV for a casino.
Some people express themselves bluntly and to the point, I can respect that. I don't need my info sugar coated, nor do I think if something angers another they can't express it. It may not be for all, I understand that, but I assure you there is no reason to feel sorry for RJT. I'm sure he'll do just fine.
For every dealer who actually DOES cheat, there are probably 10,000 sore losers that will swear up & down that they have CAUGHT a dealer cheating. When you ask them what evidence they have, it's always something ridiculously stupid like "He had a bandage on his finger" or something even stupider. Fact is, a bandage will give you MUCH less friction than a bare finger will. The whole thing is ludicrous.
Even on the extremely rare occasion that a dealer DOES cheat, it's almost ALWAYS a matter of a dealer cheating the HOUSE, and dumping off money to a friend who comes to his table.
Bottom line: You have a greater chance of being eaten by a bear than you do of being cheated by a dealer in a casino.
Even on the extremely rare occasion that a dealer DOES cheat, it's almost ALWAYS a matter of a dealer cheating the HOUSE, and dumping off money to a friend who comes to his table.
Bottom line: You have a greater chance of being eaten by a bear than you do of being cheated by a dealer in a casino.
Frankly i was extremely drunk at the time i typed that and still made more sense than FD. As it stands if a dealer is fast enough to deal seconds they're fast enough to not get caught by just about anyone on this board. So everything i said above is entirely relevant. If FD want to portray himself as having some experience catching cheating dealers when he doesn't he shouldn't whine about it when he gets called.
Oh and btw - reducing a message board argument to a discussion of spelling really shows that you don't have a valid point to make. Getting in on someone else message board argument just to criticize spelling is simply pathetic. I'll await your apology by PM - don't worry, i'm not the sort to rub it in afterwards.
RJT.
Oh and btw - reducing a message board argument to a discussion of spelling really shows that you don't have a valid point to make. Getting in on someone else message board argument just to criticize spelling is simply pathetic. I'll await your apology by PM - don't worry, i'm not the sort to rub it in afterwards.
RJT.
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Told you already - you get respect when you earn it. I'm being disrespectful to someone who's left themselves open to ridicule by representing knowledge they simply don't have.
This serves an absolute point - either you're going to fess up here and now and show everyone that you were just talking through your lower regions or everyone's going to see it anyway and also see that you simply don't have the backbone to own up to your mistakes.
Pretending that you are something you're not on other subjects is no biggie - but when it's relevant to real people wagering real money based on your fairy stories, it's simply not on.
RJT.
This serves an absolute point - either you're going to fess up here and now and show everyone that you were just talking through your lower regions or everyone's going to see it anyway and also see that you simply don't have the backbone to own up to your mistakes.
Pretending that you are something you're not on other subjects is no biggie - but when it's relevant to real people wagering real money based on your fairy stories, it's simply not on.
RJT.