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Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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#21
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rollem411 said:
Yes I have only been playing for about a year now and I am very open to suggestions. Here is what happens when I get to the casinos.

I use Zen count and wong-in at a +2 TC...Sometimes I will sit down and play a fresh shoe and play until the count drops below -2 TC, mostly because I feel the PB are wondering why I keep circling the floor and not playing..plus I am anxious.

I posted my bet spread a few times before and didn't want to keep posting, only because I think it would get annoying to some, but here it is again:

TC 0,+1 = 1 unit
+2 = 2 units
+3 = 4 units
+4 = 6 units
+5 = 7.5 units
>+6 = 10 units

I posted previously and Sonny responded with an OK on this spread, so I figured it was good. I'm picking at least semi decent games to play with regards to pen. and rules, plus the wonging worked. I also have a $5,000 BR. If you know what the ROR is with this spread it would be greatly appreciated.
I also haven't adjusted my spread to my BR with the losses as with the Kelly betting, but I thought it wouldn't be a problem...maybe I'm wrong.

I recently went to the Taj and dropped another 500 in mostly positve counts...I did play when the count was negative, but nothing that would lose a significant amount. The only thing that bugs me is that I practice at home with 8D and same rules and I actually see results and then when it comes down to the real deal, everything is different. I have been drinking too much now and its too late to continue with what I wanted to say, but I'm sure I will see a response in the morning.

As for the ASM's, I'm not going back to those any time soon.
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Your spread, Wong-in and Wong-out points are fantastic. The problem is, it's still very easy to lose a lot of money. Dropping $500 or $1000 or $2000 in any AC game is nothing.
 
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Kasi

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#22
#22
rollem411 said:
I am very open to suggestions...
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OK - I just picked a game - an 8D H17 DAS dealt 75%.

And assuming you entered only at TC+2 and left when it was less than that, (like you would leave at +1.9) I don't see a big problem with your spread and roll. I get an avg bet of $39 and a win rate of 1.73% or $0.67/hd with an SD of $53/hd and so you only get to play 13.5 hds an hour.

Aside from the above possibly being wrong (no sim - just a calculator), other factors working against you are it assumes jumping of bets with the count. It's also asuming Hi-Lo with truncated counts - I don't know how Zen counts relate to this. And 3 other players at the table. Maybe an 8-9% ROR so bring $2000, 100 units, for a 10 hr trip to have about the same trip ROR.

Other general comments would be stop playing at fresh shoes until TC-2. Or keep playing the above game below +2, although betting $10 at +1 would be OK. The game will only have a very slight +EV at +1 anyway. So betting $10 until then would be OK. But amy hand played below that count is negative EV.

Unfortunately I do not have access to EV's and frequencies below zero so I can't really do too much with negative exit points.

Hope maybe this helps in some way. Good luck!
 
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rollem411

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#23
#23
In Snyder's Blackbelt in Blackjack, he says to divide your BR by 150 to get your max bet, for 4+ decks. I think my max bet is a little too high for my bankroll as it only stands at $5,000...now even less. I'll start working again when I head back to school and hopefully build it up a couple more, but maybe the drop isn't as bad as I had originally thought..as AM also posted.
 
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Kasi

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#24
#24
rollem411 said:
In Snyder's Blackbelt in Blackjack, he says to divide your BR by 150 to get your max bet, for 4+ decks. I think my max bet is a little too high for my bankroll as it only stands at $5,000...now even less. I'll start working again when I head back to school and hopefully build it up a couple more, but maybe the drop isn't as bad as I had originally thought..as AM also posted.
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I'm sure if Arnold said it it's probably good advice but I'm guessing he may have had a specific game in mind and a specific way of playing it. Maybe?

So 5000 can probably support back-counting scenarios for shoes but definitely not play-all scenarios. You may, by back-counting, even be able to have a max bet up to 3% of your roll if you are willing to accept a little more risk.

Not sure about "wong-out" scenarios and, if you're not, consider just not doing it.

Sitting down at a fresh shoe and playing until TC-2, especially at a full table, is probably a total waste of time. I guess I mean money lol.

So, while it may not be fun to only play maybe 13 hands an hour, maybe more if you stick around until +1 while only entering at +2, if that's what your plan calls for, do it and see how it goes.

The plan doesn't seem unreasonable and gives you at least a chance.

With such a limited roll, deviating from a plan can potentially be more costly than you might think.

AC shoes pretty much suck anyway if you ask me.

Anyway, good luck to you. And thanks for sharing.
 
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ron1234

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#25
#25
Automatic Monkey said:
Resorts has also just converted 6 of their tables to H17. Very, very greedy. Harrah's started this trend and it looks like the rest will be picking up on it.
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new to the game, is there any 5 dollar tables in ac, don't want to lose a bundle , first time out.
 
ChefJJ

ChefJJ

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#26
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ron1234 said:
new to the game, is there any 5 dollar tables in ac, don't want to lose a bundle , first time out.
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Unfortunately Ron, you'll more than likely be searching out $10 tables. Dunno if that Borgata $5 is still feasible to find a seat on.

good luck
 
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Kasi

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#27
#27
ChefJJ said:
Unfortunately Ron, you'll more than likely be searching out $10 tables. Dunno if that Borgata $5 is still feasible to find a seat on.
good luck
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My wife and I both found a seat at the $5 Borgata table a couple weeks ago. I think it was a Monday though. But I think S17 and only 6 decks. So I was happy lol. And absolutely shocked I got $7 in comps lol.

If you are just going for entertainment Ron and not really planning to count, consider Spanish 21 too at a $10 level - often easier to find a seat and lower HA and element of risk than BJ if you bother to learn the strategy. Never seen one player yet play the right strategy yet though so you'll be the second lol. And all casinos have the same rules for it so even Harrah's hasn't managed to screw it up yet. So far anyway lol.
 
ChefJJ

ChefJJ

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#28
#28
Kasi said:
My wife and I both found a seat at the $5 Borgata table a couple weeks ago. I think it was a Monday though. But I think S17 and only 6 decks. So I was happy lol. And absolutely shocked I got $7 in comps lol.
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Fantastic Kasi. That is the only one in town though, right?

Ron, I probably have sounded like a Resorts honk around here, but they consistently have several $10 tables with decent AC rules. They're typically 8-deckers though, but pen is usually around 75%. That's my fallback place because the craps tables are excellent as well...not much bounce and 12' long.

good luck
 
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Kasi

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#29
#29
ChefJJ said:
Fantastic Kasi. That is the only one in town though, right?
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Not really sure lol but I think, and others would know better, even if $10 they were still 6D with S17, I think anyway.

Which to me was like a time warp or something the way things are these days.

Don't know about the crap tables lol. I wanted to Oscar Grind a little at a crap table but never got around to it lol.
 
flysrb

flysrb

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#30
#30
$10 tables...

Hey Now!
Last month there were plenty of $10 tables at the Hilton, tho it's 8 deck.Couple of KIND dealers too...
They treat you pretty good there, but you can't beat the meal comps at the Borg.The Metropolition is a killer place to eat.
The $5 table is hard to get on, but if yer going to the Marina, that's the place!
 
ChefJJ

ChefJJ

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#31
#31
Kasi said:
Don't know about the crap tables lol. I wanted to Oscar Grind a little at a crap table but never got around to it lol.
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The Borgata craps tables aren't too bad if you don't mind chasing dice half the time :grin:

Thanks for the info.
 
Ferretnparrot

Ferretnparrot

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#32
#32
5 dollar tables can be found at the Boragta 24/7, showboat 24/7, trump taj i beleive also 24/7 also iv heard this is sometimes a 3$ table, and early mornings at trump marina, like 5am to noonish
 
ChefJJ

ChefJJ

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#33
#33
Ferretnparrot said:
5 dollar tables can be found at the Boragta 24/7, showboat 24/7, trump taj i beleive also 24/7 also iv heard this is sometimes a 3$ table, and early mornings at trump marina, like 5am to noonish
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F&P,

Is there any catch to the Hilton & Trump $5 games, like H17, poor pen, etc.

good luck
 
Ferretnparrot

Ferretnparrot

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#34
#34
ChefJJ said:
F&P,

Is there any catch to the Hilton & Trump $5 games, like H17, poor pen, etc.

good luck
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The trump marina 5 dollar tables open up because there is nobody in the casino and they are the same tables they use for higher limits so i would have to say no, All of the tables at showboat are h17 so that one is, I am unaware if the rules are differnt form the other ones as i never looked, but i have noticed that penetration is the same. Now that you mention it i do recall seeing 5 dollar tables at the hilton a FEW times, the rules there are the same 8 deck s17, but they are very rare. I will doubl check as im probibly heading down tomorrow morning.
 
Ferretnparrot

Ferretnparrot

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#35
#35
recently i noticed that the 5 dollar game at the showboat had surpisingly good penetration compared to the rest of the games, i wasnt playing it and i only notice when i walked by, but i did notice it, it is h17 though and all players are limited to one betting spot due to "limited availability" never seen that before

Ferret
 
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