Could you flat bet 1000.00 in atlantic city?

[Kasi]

no im just making conversations. in bj attack, don said wong flat betted 500. i dont know if that was in ac,vegas or both.you would have less heat with no spread but im assuming the dollar amount would still override the lack of spread.

Naturally, if you do choose to back-count and also flat-bet when you do, you will sacrifice some win rate with the same $roll than if you had spread 1-2 or 1-3 or 1-4 with that same $roll.

Basically, you'd need more $roll to make the same amount with a smaller $roll if you had spread.

Or, just accept the lower win rate in exchange for, hopefully, they will think you are just some idiot occasionally jumping in and betting a fairly large amount that's always the same, sometimes staying for a few rounds and sometimes not.

I have no idea about heat and all but the strategy has always appealed to me.

My main problem is, doing this, would assume I actually had a nutsack in the first place for the hostess to hold :grin:

 

[kewljason]

I can only wished I played at that level, so I may be very wrong, but I don't think you can continually wong in positive counts betting $1000 in AC. You may get away with it a couple times in each store (if they allow mid shoe entry, which many in AC dont) but certainly not as a regular strategy.

 

[lucifer]

if they dont allow mid shoe entry, how do you guys make any real money. what kind of spread can you get away with.

 

[kewljason]

if they dont allow mid shoe entry, how do you guys make any real money. what kind of spread can you get away with.

Not saying everywhere is NMSE in AC. Just saying Don's article first appeared in 1984 and conditions have changed. I play a $25 unit and some stores have NMSE and some don't on the $25 games. Seems more have them all the time. Funny thing is they all allow on $10 & $15 tables but those are so full, backcounting is nearly impossible. And again I can't speak for the high limit areas but I would be very surprised if you can backcount and slap down $1000 bets on positive counts only for very long and get away with it more than once or twice at each store.

As for making any real money in AC, it's difficult. Read some of the back posts. Most regulars have a very low opinion of AC. Of the people that do play there regularly, I think many do as I do and play off the top of the shoe but leave as soon as the count heads south. (wong out)

 

[lucifer]

whats your starting unit,and what do you spead at your max bet.

 

[Tarzan]

No such thing

There IS no wong in opportunity in the pit in any AC casino as they are ALL nomidshoeentry. Caesars has a huge max bet on the $25 min tables and you can jump right on in there! The only problem is that it's 8 decks, H17, ASM... shall I go on? You would have to stand there for a few hours before you see that golden opportunity to play those few hands of $1000 a pop against those circumstances.

Yes, I believe that was what was implied was wonging in on a good count, Jason but STILL... I hope you have a hell of a bankroll to make that one work and survive a negative swing! One or two real bad gos of it and get a little unlucky and you'll find yourself down $30,000 before you even know what hit you! I wish you luck!

 

[Mr. Francks]

Doable

Truthfully I think this is doable in AC but your opportunities are limited. You will need to move around a lot and be prepared for large swings in your bankroll. I've seen plenty of crazies in AC who jump into games with large bets and no clue. Their action is generally welcomed.

Here are some suggestions:

Bet in black, purple draws too much attention.

Have the chips in your pocket already. dont stop the game for a buy-in. It will draw unwanted attention.

Stick with the larger joints. The smaller places are too sweaty and will move in on you more quickly.

Go when it is busy. This will not work at slower times.

would suggest using some amount of spread (maybe $500 - $1000). I don't think a small spread makes you any more vulnerable.

There are still plenty of $25 tables in AC where you can wong in, especially at busier times when the table limits are higher.

Move around a lot, both pit to pit and place to place. The only thing they can do in AC is half shoe or flat bet you, but if you're not staying for the next shoe they can't half-shoe you, and flat betting you is disruptive at a crowded table on a busy night.

 

[kewljason]

There IS no wong in opportunity in the pit in any AC casino as they are ALL nomidshoeentry. Caesars has a huge max bet on the $25 min tables and you can jump right on in there! The only problem is that it's 8 decks, H17, ASM... shall I go on? You would have to stand there for a few hours before you see that golden opportunity to play those few hands of $1000 a pop against those circumstances.

Yes, I believe that was what was implied was wonging in on a good count, Jason but STILL... I hope you have a hell of a bankroll to make that one work and survive a negative swing! One or two real bad gos of it and get a little unlucky and you'll find yourself down $30,000 before you even know what hit you! I wish you luck!

whooo, hold on a sec. Wasn't me that proposed flat betting $1000. lol Lucifer began this thread, not I.

Your assertion that there is no wong in opportunities in any AC casino is just 100% wrong, unless several casinos have changed their rules in the past 24 hours. Wong opportunities at my level of play ($25 unit) still exist in AC, just becoming fewer and more difficult. As I said earlier, almost EVERY $10 table (and there are plenty during the week) the rules permit you to enter mid shoe. The problem is, that these tables are too crowded to have much sucess wonging into. At the $25 tables, some allow mid shoe entry and some dont.

 

[kewljason]

whats your starting unit,and what do you spead at your max bet.

not sure who your question is directed at, but I will answer on my behalf as it appeared just after one of my posts. I bet small and try to stay under the radar. $25 unit spreading 1-12 or sometimes 1-2x8, well below your proposed wong in amount.

 

[Tarzan]

Wong Away!

I didn't say wong in opportunities don't exist. They DO! All over! I noted that in the previous post---Against 8 decks, H17, ASM's is all....

It's a fat barrel full'o'cash to have a negligible ROR if it were ME attempting this!

 

[moo321]

Why don't you just spread $100-800 back-counting? Lowers your risk of ruin, lowers the heat somewhat because you're not betting table max. You should be able to make a grand for a days work. And once you wong into some shoes and play-all rated from there, you'll get airfare to vegas, where you have even more wonging opportunities.

 

[Finn Dog]

I don't agree. If you were to flat-bet $1K in good counts in AC, the casino's repsonse would probably be to assign you a private hostess to hold your nutsack while you play.

Remember that unless they are already monitoring a counter at a table, they don't know what the count is when you enter. These guys are trained to recognize a spread that goes up and down with a count, and that's it.

I thought that Black and over facilitated an automatic skills check?

Or do you all think that would not be the case with a flat better at Black? That is, do you think they would think: "why bother?"

Best regards,

FD

 

[UK-21]

Up with the lark this morning (it's 06:58 GMT) I've read this thread with interest. I'm surprised the advice from the regulars isn't along the lines of "if you can afford to play $1,000 a hand, don't play an 8-decker, you can afford to find a better game" (or words to that effect)??

 

[standard toaster]

I dont see why you cant. I would suspect they would send a host over to hold your balls as someone said before. You would need an enormous bankroll to pull this off however. I really also dont think they would give you "counter heat" for backcounting. If your not spreading you can just say you are very supersticious and need to wait for the perfect time. No spread = less heat