i had this happen 2 nights ago here in louisiana, didnt push the issue with the pit because i ended up taking 2 cards first was an ace (which was the 2nd card down in the shoe) and then busting with an 8 for like a 24, the ace wouldnt have helped anyone else at the table and would have made the dealer a 20 instead of a 19 so it worked out for one person at the table
Dealer error, pit says you may play the hand or not. What would you have done?
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A misdeal would be a real gift here
If I understand you correctly, everyone there received the proper cards and that the only thing wrong is that the dealer exposed their hole card for the table to see. If this is the case, I would love the option of bowing out of the hand but would not expect it. I got what I would have had and so did the dealer. I also got to know the dealer's hand and have the opportunity to play my hand accordingly.
ihate17
If I understand you correctly, everyone there received the proper cards and that the only thing wrong is that the dealer exposed their hole card for the table to see. If this is the case, I would love the option of bowing out of the hand but would not expect it. I got what I would have had and so did the dealer. I also got to know the dealer's hand and have the opportunity to play my hand accordingly.
ihate17
Not quite right...
Oh, if it were a simple case of double exposure, I agree with you completely, and would have loved the opportunity to play the hand correctly.
However, this was a case where the dealer flipped the incorrect card, thus showing us his "down card," but not showing us his "up card." So technically, on average, this wouldn't harm any players, as you can well imagine -- the players are statistically ambivalent about which of the two cards is shown. I was hoping, though, that as a would-be ploppy, I could make the argument that I might now be making the wrong play -- i.e., that if his other card were showing, the statistically correct play might be completely different for me and the rest of the table. A superstitious player could certainly raise some "legitimate" issues, no?
Oh, if it were a simple case of double exposure, I agree with you completely, and would have loved the opportunity to play the hand correctly.
However, this was a case where the dealer flipped the incorrect card, thus showing us his "down card," but not showing us his "up card." So technically, on average, this wouldn't harm any players, as you can well imagine -- the players are statistically ambivalent about which of the two cards is shown. I was hoping, though, that as a would-be ploppy, I could make the argument that I might now be making the wrong play -- i.e., that if his other card were showing, the statistically correct play might be completely different for me and the rest of the table. A superstitious player could certainly raise some "legitimate" issues, no?
Got it, and what if it was not a mistake
Over the years I have spotted a couple of dealers who cheated players by dealing "selective hole cards". They would tilt the first card slightly when removing it from the shoe and turn the second card if they did not like the first. It is a serious form of casino/dealer cheating in my opinion but it is also rare.
I agree that always you should be given a choice in this kind of instance, mistake or on purpose. In fact in order to eliminate any thought of cheating in this case, I think the casino should play out every hand, pay the winners and push the losers.
ihate17
Over the years I have spotted a couple of dealers who cheated players by dealing "selective hole cards". They would tilt the first card slightly when removing it from the shoe and turn the second card if they did not like the first. It is a serious form of casino/dealer cheating in my opinion but it is also rare.
I agree that always you should be given a choice in this kind of instance, mistake or on purpose. In fact in order to eliminate any thought of cheating in this case, I think the casino should play out every hand, pay the winners and push the losers.
ihate17
Not directly related, but just because this "dealer error" topic is on the top.
I recently had a personal first. Dealer had just rotated in to the table, was generally distracted. I get dealt a A,9. Dealer immediately proceeds to pay me as if I had a blackjack. I just kept very, very still, waiting for her to notice her mistake. She didn't. And my hand began to make a move to put out a small tip (as I often do after a blackjack) but I decided it would be best not to in that situation.
Too bad it was a minimum bet!
I recently had a personal first. Dealer had just rotated in to the table, was generally distracted. I get dealt a A,9. Dealer immediately proceeds to pay me as if I had a blackjack. I just kept very, very still, waiting for her to notice her mistake. She didn't. And my hand began to make a move to put out a small tip (as I often do after a blackjack) but I decided it would be best not to in that situation.
Too bad it was a minimum bet!
tip her later or when she leaves
Rhino
You did right by not tipping right away. These things are often seen by the eye but especially with a small bet they do not bother to call the pit, stop the game and get a few dollars back from a player. Of course, if the eye sees you toke on the following hand they now might zero in on you and the dealer to see if perhaps you two are working together. You do want any extra attention, so you tip her either several hands later or at the end of her time at the table.
ihate17
Rhino
You did right by not tipping right away. These things are often seen by the eye but especially with a small bet they do not bother to call the pit, stop the game and get a few dollars back from a player. Of course, if the eye sees you toke on the following hand they now might zero in on you and the dealer to see if perhaps you two are working together. You do want any extra attention, so you tip her either several hands later or at the end of her time at the table.
ihate17
