dice control first casino attempt

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I just made a trip with the gf to my local casino and played some of her favorite game... craps. I have been studying dice control for some time now and thought id give it a try, i mean whats the worst that can happen? fail and have a normal random game? thats whats expected! I started out with the all 7's set and started off good on the pass line. The pass line bets are small so its nothing to get to excited over. Once I hit the point i moved onto the flying V and hit 6/8 pretty consistantly. After hitting a few points I decided id try something else. I moved onto playing the hard set. I would bet on the hopping hards,set em up and roll in the bucks. 30 : 1 adds up quick espically when the point your shooting for is part of your hard set.

I have not been practicing dice control for to to long but ill tell you what if you can keep them on axis it can def become an AP game.

Oh. I had the table to myself and after about an hour the pit boss came over and told the dealers I cant set the dice anymore. Luckly for me they did not listen :laugh:

So to all you non believers it can be done. Espically when the casino does not enforce the hitting off the back wall rule.
 
ChefJJ

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All I've gotta say is while you've got the excitement and momentum going for you, practice, practice, practice. Don't just go for sheer volume of throws, but take the time to learn what it is the dice are doing when you are in the groove.

good luck
 
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Ill tell you what after practicing for a couple months its great to see them fly on the table. Perfect arc and spin flying side by side hitting the diamond at the very bottom and sitting there exactly as expected. One dosent shoot off to the side they just plop end over end once and come to a stop. Its beautiful!
 
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SuperTrump

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I have experimented with dice control for many months and although it seems plausible it doesn't really hold up in the real world. Although I believe it might be possible to consistently throw on axis, I do not believe it is possible to maintain the axis following a collision/bounce with the back wall. There are just too many variables.
 
ChefJJ

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SuperTrump said:
it doesn't really hold up in the real world.
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Very true for the vast majority of people who take a crack at it. It's probably better off that way...look at how the rules/conditions for blackjack have changed over time, arguably in reaction to APs.

good luck
 
moo321

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standard toaster said:
So to all you non believers it can be done. Espically when the casino does not enforce the hitting off the back wall rule.
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Oh, absolutely. If you don't have to hit the back wall you can just roll them on an axis. But most places won't let you do that.

I'm sure dice control is possible if you don't have to hit the back wall.
 
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ragroller

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well my pyramid wall have arrived but my god dam dice havent yet!!, just looking at the wall i cant really see how it can make such a big affect on the dice results if it hits very light, but then again i havent tried throwing on there as of yet.

to the original post - so you were able to throw without the dice hitting the back wall is that correct? if so that doesnt count lol .
 
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ragroller said:
well my pyramid wall have arrived but my god dam dice havent yet!!, just looking at the wall i cant really see how it can make such a big affect on the dice results if it hits very light, but then again i havent tried throwing on there as of yet.

to the original post - so you were able to throw without the dice hitting the back wall is that correct? if so that doesnt count lol .
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well my first throws i would arc them to lightly tap the bottom od the back wall and it worked. Then a few of my throws were off and didnt hit the wall. They never cared. so guess what i kept doing it and man was it nice.
 
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ragroller

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ChefJJ said:
Very true for the vast majority of people who take a crack at it. It's probably better off that way...look at how the rules/conditions for blackjack have changed over time, arguably in reaction to APs.

good luck
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i cant agree more unless you give it 110% it doesnt count, 90% of the pple who try probably do a half ass atempt and conclude it doesnt work .

btw casino's all use 19mm grade dice right not 16mm?
 
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ragroller said:
thats fricken sweet lol , did u up ur bet? i would have if it didnt have to hit the wall lol
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No i didnt up my bet. it was my first time trying it out in the casino and why risk more money on something i dont know for sure? If it works ill make a lot more than normal if it didnt work i would have well had a normal game so its really a pretty good deal.
 
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ragroller

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i had to order from ebay, im located in australia and i couldnt find anything here so had to go overseas , shipping is a complete rip off. i hadto buy dice also overseas cost me $60AU for a stick of 5 dice
 
Katweezel

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No setting the dice

ragroller said:
i cant agree more unless you give it 110% it doesnt count, 90% of the pple who try probably do a half ass atempt and conclude it doesnt work .

btw casino's all use 19mm grade dice right not 16mm?
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Gday ragroller, mate. Wished I knew ChefJJ a few years back when I practiced dice-throwing for a few weeks. Then, I attacked them, in Melbourne's Crown if I remember. I set the dice and they said "NO! You can't do that here pal." After that I gave it up and concentrated on Blackjack and Baccarat. My dice career never got off the ground. Hope you have better luck! :cat:
 
ChefJJ

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ragroller said:
i had to order from ebay, im located in australia and i couldnt find anything here so had to go overseas , shipping is a complete rip off. i hadto buy dice also overseas cost me $60AU for a stick of 5 dice
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That stinks...you might as well have ordered a few sticks since the corners do get worn down. Nonetheless, having the real deals does help.

good luck practicing!
 
Katweezel

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I found this but it looks a bit old. Surely someone has beaten that record by now. ChefJJ, have you rewritten it yet, mate?

The longest craps roll in the world
Here's the world record
Stanley Fujitake
of Honolulu, Hawaii
May 28th 1989
at The California Hotel & Casino
Las Vegas, Nevada

3 Hours and 6 Minutes
118 Rolls
18 Pass Line Wins
Estimated Table Win - $750,000
Notes: Mr. Fujitake is now deceased. This Record is undisputed and is confirmed by the Marketing Department at Boyd Gaming, owner of the Calfifornia Hotel property. The number of rolls, number of Pass Line wins and the total table winnings is also confirmed at the Las Vegas Museum of History, which was at one time located near the Gift Shop at The Tropicana. Legend, however, has it that the total winnings may have been as high as $1,200,000 and the the bulk of the winnings were not made by the original players at the table, but because the roll was so long that word spread to heavy hitter players who were at Binion's Horseshoe who had ample time to take a short walk to The California to cash in on this gold mine.

Reliable sources comprised of long time craps veterans in Vegas state that within the next day or so the table was taken out behind The California, chopped up into little pieces and burned. SO MUCH FOR LEGEND... The Bone Man, author and developer of this web site, took it upon himself to check all of this out and in 2006 interviewed a floorperson at The California who witnessed most of this famous roll. It was stated that the roll began in the late portion of the day shift and into the swing (night shift) and that when the day time shift bank was counted down the total table losses were only (compared to the $750,000 stated above in blue) $175,000.

Very little else was paid out on winnings after the table bank audit according to this reliable source. The floorman also indicated that the original table is still there and was never taken out to be chopped up and burned. It is also interesting to note the number of rolls (118) which very closely matches the still running Roll-A-Thon at the Fremont Casino, also in Downtown Las Vegas, where the longest roll of record without a 7 is 117 as stated by a reliable dealer there in May of 2007 and that promotion has been running for about 5 years and is the only known record tracking promotion of it's kind.
 
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ragroller

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Katweezel said:
Gday ragroller, mate. Wished I knew ChefJJ a few years back when I practiced dice-throwing for a few weeks. Then, I attacked them, in Melbourne's Crown if I remember. I set the dice and they said "NO! You can't do that here pal." After that I gave it up and concentrated on Blackjack and Baccarat. My dice career never got off the ground. Hope you have better luck! :cat:
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Are you based in AU? are you fricken seriouse melbourne crown doesnt let you set the dice? because thats the casino i go to, which room was this in? did you try it in the mahogony room? or any other VIP rooms? or was it at the normal floors? how long ago was this? o man
 
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