Dirty Tricks

[HarryKuntz]

hc card be included. can someone explain how this is done. in blackjack attack there is a amusing pic of a guy using his ring to get the reflection of the whole card has the dealer slides it off the show. has anyone ever heard of this being done in real life???

People use all different methods for hole carding, some of which are very questionable such as using hidden cameras, mirrors, etc., others are more ingenious like sitting in a wheelchair for a lower level of sight, and others are more opportunist simply looking for flashing dealers.

I once knew a guy who cheated at private poker games by using a cup of black coffee. When he was dealing his opponents hole cards, he would pass each card over his cup so he could get a glimpse of the reflection in his coffee.

 

[EasyRhino]

People use all different methods for hole carding, some of which are very questionable such as using hidden cameras, mirrors, etc., others are more ingenious like sitting in a wheelchair for a lower level of sight, and others are more opportunist simply looking for flashing dealers.

Cameras and mirrors will get you arrested in Nevada. A wheelchair used as a prop... dunno.

 

[HarryKuntz]

Cameras and mirrors will get you arrested in Nevada. A wheelchair used as a prop... dunno.

Yeah, I wouldn't recommend using camera's or mirrors, didn't some Spanish soccer player or coach get arrested recently with a camera in a cigarette box - definitely not worth it. However, if your worried about getting away with a wheelchair as a prop, you could always pay me to break your legs! :laugh:

 

[Ferretnparrot]

-I usually rush the dealer through the shuffle and put a moster bet out, if he burns a card i retract it before he deals the cards, if he doesnt burn a card i might only make a fuss if my hand is -EV

-Hiding the cut card under the napkin is easiest, but cuping your hands and palming it appears less obvioius of an attempt to hide it, You can also lean it behind your stack of chips, or slide it partly under them. If you ships stacks are wide/tall enough, it will be out of the dealers view and appear somewhat normal.

-After my post about the value of cards to a card counter, i always advise players to stand on their hands, and never to split.

-when you have 22, always signal that you wish to stand, often stupid dealers may move onto the next player and not collect your bet.

-Try to split a 17 consiting of an 8 and a 9, the cards look similer and you may be able to do it a fair percentage of the time in the early hours of the AM, i have only been successful once.

Thats all i got for now that i can think of

 

[EasyRhino]

A fairly undirty trick I stumbled into.

Dealer was finishing shuffling, and was just about to insert the cut card. I engaged her about something innocuous, but at that moment, I guess it was fairly distracting. She inserted the cut card as to give WAY better than usual penetration. I made sure to hang around for that shoe.

 

[HarryKuntz]

A fairly undirty trick I stumbled into.

Dealer was finishing shuffling, and was just about to insert the cut card. I engaged her about something innocuous, but at that moment, I guess it was fairly distracting. She inserted the cut card as to give WAY better than usual penetration. I made sure to hang around for that shoe.

I've gotten away with this a few times too, it's always worth having a conversation with a chatty dealer whilst they are shuffling. You know the types self centred and more interested in themselves rather than what they are doing. I try to ask them as many personnal questions as i can, have they been dealing long?, have they worked anywhere else?, do they like working here? blah, blah, blah... anything to try to induce a story and get them thinking about anything else. I've caused as little as half a deck cut off a six deck shoe before but I've also caused very bad pen do this too though.

 

[standard toaster]

I have one I picked up (I think from one of zens post a long time ago). It involves min betting at a table. The trick is to keep a couple of black chips close enough to the betting circle that the comp can read the chip innside of them and you get credit for a 200-300 dollar bet when your only betting 25. this trick has worked wonderrs for my comps but I have been cauht a couple of tiimes. Alot of dealers are keen to this and tell you to move yourchips back.

I even once wasted a 100 chip trying to smash it at my house and take what ever the sensor inside of iit out. I figured i could put it on the end of my finger and hold my finger close to the betting circle when the dealer presses the button to register that rounds bets. Unfortunatly I couldn't fin it. I wasn't sure what I was looking for and where in the chip it would be. I was looking in the center of the chip....

you know thats not to bad an idea.

Some rfid chips are very small such as this

Which may be why you could not find it

I always assumed they would be about this size though

If you were really serious you could even implant it in your finger so you could never get caught.... Im not sure how far away it has to be from the circle so im just throwing things out there

 

[Automatic Monkey]

A fairly undirty trick I stumbled into.

Dealer was finishing shuffling, and was just about to insert the cut card. I engaged her about something innocuous, but at that moment, I guess it was fairly distracting. She inserted the cut card as to give WAY better than usual penetration. I made sure to hang around for that shoe.

That's a good one! Just create some variation in the cut card insertion. Play it when it works to your advantage and walk away from it when it doesn't.

 

[RingyDingy]

you know thats not to bad an idea.

Some rfid chips are very small such as this

Which may be why you could not find it

I always assumed they would be about this size though

If you were really serious you could even implant it in your finger so you could never get caught.... Im not sure how far away it has to be from the circle so im just throwing things out there

This is very interesting, interesting in several ways:

firstly there are a whole series of different flavours of RFID, frequencies used, size to receivers etc

How they limit the size of the scanning area is usually done by placing the "scanner" in the centre of the target area, and adjusting the power until it gets to the desired maximum range, i.e the size of the circle.

A poorly tuned "scanner" could be quite wild.

this is also influenced by the size of the rfid "chip" and antenna etc that is used, think of ones in stores in books they are quite large etc. you could through several ways mimic the frequency of the rfid chip thats used

(provided that they dont use individual serialized RFID chips on their hundreds - if they did you would need to copy it - this is another whole interesting topic, given it would look like you were betting the same $100 chip hundreds of times provided that its not encoded in some manner.)

You could have a chip on the end of your finger under a band aid, have some makeup applied to it to look normal, have some latex fake skin over it, wear some funky jewelery etc etc. lots of different methods.

again it all comes down to that "circle" of the RFID scanners range.

This is have no experience on or about. i deny everything.

Cheers

Ringy

 

[RingyDingy]

RFID Stuff

ok i have done some more research on the RFID in casino chips stuff, including some rather poignant sensitive information, best not to be discussed in a public forum me thinks.

anyone have a safe place for a confidential discussion?

cheers
Ringy.

 

[johndoe]

Don't know of one off-hand, but I'd be interested in the discussion; I have some expertise in the area, and friends in the industry.

 

[standard toaster]

ok i have done some more research on the RFID in casino chips stuff, including some rather poignant sensitive information, best not to be discussed in a public forum me thinks.

anyone have a safe place for a confidential discussion?

cheers
Ringy.

The only way to have a confidential discussion would be through pm's to knows users or to have a private chat requing a sign up and proof of identity such as posting it really is you in a new thread. This of course never goes well. i tried a chat to the public a few times but only two people ever showed up


anyway here is an rfid chip that i found lurking around on the net

Do you think you could get an rfid under the table under the sensor and it would still read it?

The only problem is would it be considered a device? Yes chips can not be considered a device but if you were to take one apart I doubt it is still legally just a "chip"

 

[bjhack]

If you picked up your losing bet, it sounds like cheating to me.

ihate17

I once got paid off 3 greens for a 3 red bet. While I regret it now, I hesitated a long time to collect my bet, until the dealer noticed her mistake. I wish now I had grabbed it quickly. Would that be cheating?

 

[bjhack]

For example, you have soft 18 and the dealer skips you by, assuming you are going to stand. Wait to see the next card dealt and if its favourable to you, say "hey, I hadn't finished playing my hand"

That happens a way too often at our local casino. I've had to ask dealers - I'd like to play my hand, not you. They get pissed (along with most of the players at the table - after all, who doesn't know how to play BJ better than the dealer, right?)

 

[ihate17]

Not cheating but perhaps slightly embarrassing

I once got paid off 3 greens for a 3 red bet. While I regret it now, I hesitated a long time to collect my bet, until the dealer noticed her mistake. I wish now I had grabbed it quickly. Would that be cheating?

If the dealer gives you 3 green instead of 3 red and you take it, I do not consider that cheating.
I had an instance where for several hands I had bet 3 black and 2 green and then changed my bet to 2 black and 3 green but the dealer paid me 3 black and 2 green. I just took the chips, win and bet, with the same timing as I usually take the chips.
If the casino considers it cheating then they are admitting that the dealer entrapped you. My opinion though is basically worthless.
Of course, if spotted you blush and exchange the green for red.

ihate17

 

[moo321]

I once got paid off 3 greens for a 3 red bet. While I regret it now, I hesitated a long time to collect my bet, until the dealer noticed her mistake. I wish now I had grabbed it quickly. Would that be cheating?

I don't know if I'd take this. Maybe.

I had a dealer color me up for 6xx and gave me 8 black chips and the change. I took that and ran.

 

[RingyDingy]

Dealer error is not cheating IMHO, I have no idea on the legalities of it.
And in some instances helps your EV, and makes games worthwhile.

Scenario: If you have a choice of dealers:

1. a robot who never makes an error (he probably works at the Bellagio )
or
2. A dealer who is obviously thinking about his ex wife banging his neighbor and cannot count chips properly.


Which would you take? im all for 2!!!! After all some people here make a habit of knowing certain dealers that holecard and the like, so whats the difference? I say take the money and run. - and don't forget if the casino makes a mistake and takes your money and you don't pick it up, are they going to get back to you and refund your money? LOL

 

[SleightOfHand]

I don't know if I'd take this. Maybe.

I had a dealer color me up for 6xx and gave me 8 black chips and the change. I took that and ran.

I recently had a nice $100 DE. Doubled a $50 bet and got paid with 2 blacks. Om nom nom :grin:

 

[rollem411]

dirty tricks so far

1) manipulating sze of bet in comp
2) hide cut card
3) capping bet
4) upping bet if you thing dealer new dealer wn't burn one so you can request a new card if you don't like the one you get
5) the rough cut - push cards out with cut card so your friend at third can see the ones close to the burn card

did i miss any??

I wouldn't suggest using #3...all others are borderline moral dilemmas, but would not serve you any jail time. #3 will send you down that road.

One more you can add that I have done. Only one or 2 people liked my play (AM) :laugh: while the others said I was a cheat, but we're into dirty tricks here so why not...

Dealer clears a bet that had been a push. Tell them you had more money on the table than you actually did.

 

[bjcounter]

I recently was playing a six decker. Good basketball game on. I was hitting on the dealer to distract her. Several guys at my table started yelling about the game and she turned to look for a few seconds. One guy got up and started jumping up and down. She took the cut card and placed in in the back of the shoe, instead of cutting with it. It wasn't noticed until we ran out of cards :grin: What a great shoe:cool2: