Down 1000 units in 200 hr of counting

[Automatic Monkey]

Maybe if i was using level II at that time, the count wasn't that high at all (with still plenty of 4,5,6's left in the deck !)

No it doesn't make that much of a difference. A level 2 count will get you 5-10% more than High-Low and that's all it does. Sounds like you just had bad luck. But if you're doing things like chickening out on high counts and not getting your bets down, that will only make it worse. You are playing LS games, you know all the surrender plays, right?

 

[ycming]

Creeping, surely with 2000 units and $100 pure unit, he has lost $100,000 ($100x1000) and not $10,000.

I am in the process in moving to a level 2 count but that is not for a lose-less system but a system that will identify more postive/betting situations.

Ming

 

[StandardDeviant]

Bad, bad, bad Idea.

What you propose can't happen on a 6-deck play-all without an unrealistic bet spread and 100's of indeces.

Adopt a level II count.

Don't play all.

Play 2 hands.

Wong in.

Or...just stay with a Level I count and get used to the fact that variance happens. The issue is not the counting system, but rather the nature of counting in general.

 

[creeping panther]

opps

Creeping, surely with 2000 units and $100 pure unit, he has lost $100,000 ($100x1000) and not $10,000.

I am in the process in moving to a level 2 count but that is not for a lose-less system but a system that will identify more postive/betting situations.

Ming

My bad.

CP

 

[TrueCount]

Sorry for your loss. You are using a big unit of $100 and top at $1,600, so you are on a $100 min table? The game has good rules and probably 1.25 cut out, you have lost $10,000, I sure can see that happening...little consolation eh'

I find it funny, ha..ha.., that you are asking people here for their permission to move to two hands since you have read here that HU you are to only play 1 spot...do you have a mind...can you think for yourself...is it your money or the posters here??? Haven't you also read that some big names here...PRO's:gaga:,,,,,look at straight counting as not even being AP play and deride it as an activity,even referring to counters as worms in the mud:yikes:

On your DD problems I bet if we discussed that you may have approached that game wrong, maybe to greedy or obvious and that led to the back offs.

Remember the discussions about the "Long Run"??...how you will lose more bets with the high counts and you will win almost as many hands in - counts as in + counts??

The truth is that playing as you are told to play and betting the way you are told to bet is probably not going to cut it for you. You will now have to resize you bet 50% and if you keep going, as you have, soon you will lose all your bank...of course you can always get more money and just pray that you hit the "Long Run" very soon.

BTW, what is the shuffle like on this 6d??

Why are you playing? Have you nothing better to do with the $20,000 so you decided to play BJ? Are you bored? Depressed? Are you doing it because you need money and turned to BJ as a Hail Mary move? How long have you been playing? What are you trying to accomplish? Do you invest in stocks..CD, bonds??

Do you really know how to use LS, FA, are you sure you are not making mistakes??

I use Hi-LO, so do many others including many famous players..I know it gets the job done.

I think you should take a long hard look at how you are attacking that game,,and start thinking outside the box,,after all it is your money you are giving to the evil :devil: casino.

My Best,

CP

I've been a ploppie for way too long -about 10 years- and after countless beating from the casinos i decided to try 'counting'.
started in the wrong foot i guess losing faster and bigger by counting.
i have a stockbroker license as well as real estate broker

 

[TrueCount]

No it doesn't make that much of a difference. A level 2 count will get you 5-10% more than High-Low and that's all it does. Sounds like you just had bad luck. But if you're doing things like chickening out on high counts and not getting your bets down, that will only make it worse. You are playing LS games, you know all the surrender plays, right?

Illustrious 18 & Fab 4

 

[TrueCount]

Or...just stay with a Level I count and get used to the fact that variance happens. The issue is not the counting system, but rather the nature of counting in general.

definitely frustrating. on my last session which lasted for about 9 hours, i have been up 70 units until the 7th hour and finally i thought myself my bad streak ended for good. then i find a head up situation with RC 20 TC 7-8 placing max bets and getting beat with a stick... and ending the session down 40 units (a negative swing of 110 units in 2 hrs of play). :cry:

 

[kewljason]

Sorry for your loss. You are using a big unit of $100 and top at $1,600, so you are on a $100 min table? The game has good rules and probably 1.25 cut out, you have lost $10,000, I sure can see that happening...little consolation eh'

I find it funny, ha..ha.., that you are asking people here for their permission to move to two hands since you have read here that HU you are to only play 1 spot...do you have a mind...can you think for yourself...is it your money or the posters here??? Haven't you also read that some big names here...PRO's:gaga:,,,,,look at straight counting as not even being AP play and deride it as an activity,even referring to counters as worms in the mud:yikes:

On your DD problems I bet if we discussed that you may have approached that game wrong, maybe to greedy or obvious and that led to the back offs.

Remember the discussions about the "Long Run"??...how you will lose more bets with the high counts and you will win almost as many hands in - counts as in + counts??

The truth is that playing as you are told to play and betting the way you are told to bet is probably not going to cut it for you. You will now have to resize you bet 50% and if you keep going, as you have, soon you will lose all your bank...of course you can always get more money and just pray that you hit the "Long Run" very soon.

BTW, what is the shuffle like on this 6d??

Why are you playing? Have you nothing better to do with the $20,000 so you decided to play BJ? Are you bored? Depressed? Are you doing it because you need money and turned to BJ as a Hail Mary move? How long have you been playing? What are you trying to accomplish? Do you invest in stocks..CD, bonds??

Do you really know how to use LS, FA, are you sure you are not making mistakes??

I use Hi-LO, so do many others including many famous players..I know it gets the job done.

I think you should take a long hard look at how you are attacking that game,,and start thinking outside the box,,after all it is your money you are giving to the evil :devil: casino.

My Best,

CP

I was a afraid I was being to harsh and judging in my last post. At least I didn't call him a bored depressed worm in the mud. :laugh: I feel much better now.

Good to see standard D posting. Seemed like she disappeared for a while.

 

[psyduck]

even referring to counters as worms in the mud:yikes:

I use Hi-LO, so do many others including many famous players..I know it gets the job done.
CP

Interesting statement!

Counters are worms and you use HiLo. You lost me on that!

 

[creeping panther]

Psy

Interesting statement!

Counters are worms and you use HiLo. You lost me on that!

PSYDUCK,

You are mistaken, you may want to re-read my... Rant:laugh:

CP

 

[sagefr0g]

PSYDUCK,

You are mistaken, you may want to re-read my... Rant:laugh:

CP

or he could read this:
http://www.cigaraficionado.com/webfeatures/show/id/The-Game-Killer_9203

 

[Kasi]

Did I read this right - you lost $50K in 150 hrs and $50K more in 50 more hrs?

No big deal but , if so, it's a little shocking to me, not so much you lost half your roll in 200 "hrs" but more so you'd actually play with $200k not being able to answer to yourself the chances of how you played for how long you played and finishing whereever.

So, now, 200 hrs later, you question the efficacy of Hi-Lo apparently blaming the counting system you chose to use?

Will using a Level 10 count somehow make you better able to analyze where you will be 200 hrs from now if you lose half your roll again in that period?

No big deal TC - sorry to read about such a $large loss. Maybe it's not a large $loss for you in the grand scheme of things which I hope is the case.

What can I say, other than what I always say, if you can't go back to your room an hour/session later and figure out your "luck", as best as you can, for that one hr and, also, cumulatively for all hours to now, one has already died and already is in hell but just doesn't know it yet lol.

Best of luck to you, you wild and crazy guy you!

 

[Jack_Black]

Monkey says its normal. lol But sounds like a pretty good spanking that you have been taking to me. :

Maybe Monkey likes getting spanked? hmmmmm.

 

[daddybo]

g.
i have a stockbroker license as well as real estate broker

Uh Oh.. A REAL GAMBLER! :laugh::laugh: (I know you get it, TC)

 

[daddybo]

total BR of 2000 units (1 unit = $100), top bet 12-16 units , spread of 1-16, wong out TC -1.5. rules are 6 Deck, S17, DAS, LS & RSA.

I used to play Double Deck game when i started counting and i was doing fairly well until i got my first ban and second ban. From then on, i'm very uncomfortable playing Double Deck game with hawkish staring from the PC's. so i switched to 6 deck games where i lost 1000 units in 200 hr of play.

Most of my big loss came from playing heads-up against the dealer on extremely high counts (TC +7 ~ +12). My question is, can i spread to 2 hands of (bet x 1.5/2) even though some people say never play two hands when playing head up?
thanks

No advice, just my thoughts. .. I will say I believe a level two count gives you a better feel for the composition of the remaining decks, but won't automatically help you win. Level 2 is great in DD games. I would stay with the DD games. At your unit level you could play them right and not be on any table long enough to get backed off. You could play the other games when DD is not practical. As far as counting... You have to have a good game to make any headway in a reasonable amount of time. The trick in DD is not to stay too long. Hit and Run with a big spread.

What area do you play (PM me.)

 

[bj21abc]

1. Playing 2 hands instead of one:
He specifically asked whether or not to move to 2 hands at 150%/2 - when playing heads up. From a pure play point of view, there is no benefit to this. Action will be the same, variance will be the same.
There are other reasons to spread to 2 or more hands (non-counting AP, low table limits, other players at the table etc) but these are not relevant here.

2. This post has received 4 pages of responses, on everyone's favourite topic : "you don't know enough to play so go learn/practice some more", but -
Had a $ 200k bankroll ? lost half of it ? coming to a public forum for advice ? Knows enough to name level 2+ counts and the correct bet ratio for 2 simultaneous hands, but has not come across any information about risk ?

Sorry, sounds completely made up to me.

D.

 

[kewljason]

I must say that I agree with bj21abc. When I responded earlier in the thread, I kind of glazed over the OP's betting level. The size of his betting unit, didn't really matter to me. The fundamentals are the same. However, when it was pointed out that his 1000 unit loss amounted to 100k, I reached this same conclusion as bj21abc. It seems unlikely that someone would risk that kind of money without having a sound understanding of everything involved. And then to ask advise on a public forum about how to wager your 100K? :laugh: I realize there are people worth 8 and 9 figures that for them this would be play money (color me green), but just seems highly unlikely to me.

 

[daddybo]

Or just plain ole' desperate in these unsettled times.

 

[kewljason]

Or just plain ole' desperate in these unsettled times.

sadly that is another possibility, however the poster didn't sound desperate. Quite frankly he didn't even seem concerned. Earlier this summer I lost just over 20% of my BR over a 200+ hour period, and I was getting pretty concerned (as I had never experienced that kind of down turn in my 6 years), I can only imagine my level of concern had I lost 50% of my BR.

 

[TrueCount]

Did I read this right - you lost $50K in 150 hrs and $50K more in 50 more hrs?

No big deal but , if so, it's a little shocking to me, not so much you lost half your roll in 200 "hrs" but more so you'd actually play with $200k not being able to answer to yourself the chances of how you played for how long you played and finishing whereever.

So, now, 200 hrs later, you question the efficacy of Hi-Lo apparently blaming the counting system you chose to use?

Will using a Level 10 count somehow make you better able to analyze where you will be 200 hrs from now if you lose half your roll again in that period?

No big deal TC - sorry to read about such a $large loss. Maybe it's not a large $loss for you in the grand scheme of things which I hope is the case.

What can I say, other than what I always say, if you can't go back to your room an hour/session later and figure out your "luck", as best as you can, for that one hr and, also, cumulatively for all hours to now, one has already died and already is in hell but just doesn't know it yet lol.

Best of luck to you, you wild and crazy guy you!

Thanks, I hope this negative variance i have been experiencing during the last 2-month disipates once and for all !