Dream BJ place!!!

[UK-21]

To the best of my knowledge it's only in the UK where the insurance option is limited to even money on naturals. Where I've played in Germany you could insure any hand against a dealer ace.

The jury's out on the exact "cost" of the UK's naturals only insurance rule. As counters will only take insurance at TC+3 (around 8% of the time), and taking it can result in an increased loss (dealer doesn't have a natural and you still lose the hand), I reckon the loss in EV is marginal. Nobody has yet done two sims over, say, 10 million hands to compare the two rulesets. It's something that's been kicked around in threads in the past. Any loss in EV will certainly be less than the impact of the H17 rule (at 0.22%??).

 

[zengrifter]

Hi everybody,

I was playing more than 15 years BJ in Europe everywhere and in the year 2006 (after 185 casino-black lists) i started playing Texas Holdem Poker.

So, 2 days ago a friend of my invited me to go in some casino and watch a really dream black jack game:

6 decks, 4 times split Aces, dbl after split on any 2 cards,
Penetration 60% (hand schuffle of course), soft 17,
surrender on any 2,3,4 or more cards
(on dealer ace only by 16 with 2 or 3 or more cards..)
when you make double and you dont like the coming card you can... surrender it!!! YES you can surrender your 12 or 15 or whatever.
When you split aces you have again the choice to RESCUE (surrender) it or to ACCEPT it!!!

I was there and couldnt believe my eyes. I saw many many dealers in my life cheating but on this place I am sure everything was normal.

Please can somebody tell me how much could be the hourly win rate of this game if spread is like 1 to 30 (for ex. min bet 10 and max. bet 300)?

Thank you so much in Advance and good luck everybody

Zeus

What is the pene? zg

 

[Blue Efficacy]

What is the pene? zg

He said 60%

 

[Zeus999]

Hi all,

(sorry, I was 3 days away)

yea zengrifter, the pene is 60 to 65%, (thx Blue Efficacy).

I know that 60-65 % its really almost HORRIBLE but I think all these extra rules make it a candy store, isn't?

My friend "Cardcounter", all the Tens are in the shoe, I saw all the cards a few times before we start playing. Cause I know its a beautifull trick for some casinos to take awaya few Tens from the shoe.

And "SleightOfHand" yes,the surrender rule is exactly what I said:

surrender on any 2,3,4 or more cards !!!
(on dealer ace only exactly by 16 with 2 or 3 or more cards..)
when you make double and you dont like the coming card you can... surrender it!!! (how is the Math exactly here, please?)
When you split aces (up to 4 times!!!) you have again the choice to RESCUE (surrender) it or to ACCEPT it!!!

And whenever i have 24 or more on my insurance count I can put insurance on dealers 7, 8, 9, T or Ace, that the next card will be a Ten! 2:1 ofcourse!

I am sorry I cant do the sim by myself about how much approx. would be a hourly rate on this game, would be appreciated if some guy here could do it for us.

Thank you so much all of you,

warm regards from Greece!

Zeus

 

[UK-21]

I thought all casinos in Greece were obliged by the Country's Gaming Commission (or whatever the equivalent is in Greece) to use CSMs on table games? Is the place you're discussing a bona-fide licenced casino (there aren't actually that many of them in Greece) or some underground "private" club?

 

[Zeus999]

Hi UK-21,

thank you for your responce,

this casino what I am talking about is not in Greece,
its in East Europe. And its not illegal, or underground "private" club!

You are right alll the casinos in Greece are obligated by the Country's Gaming Commission to use CSMs on BJ table games.

Thanx,

Zeus

 

[ycming]

The rules are amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Especially the insurance deal, where you could insurance against dealer 7,8,9,10,A and if their second card is a "10" you win 2:1...

Could you message me the casino name and location pleasE?

Thanks
Ming

 

[steiner]

just read through the thread... does this casino still exist? what's the name? where is it located exactly? anyone know? i mean the rules are really good...!

 

[jnrwilliam]

Hi everybody,

I was playing more than 15 years BJ in Europe everywhere and in the year 2006 (after 185 casino-black lists) i started playing Texas Holdem Poker.

So, 2 days ago a friend of my invited me to go in some casino and watch a really dream black jack game:

6 decks, 4 times split Aces, dbl after split on any 2 cards, ENHC,
Penetration 60% (hand schuffle of course), soft 17,
surrender on any 2,3,4 or more cards
(on dealer ace only by 16 with 2 or 3 or more cards..)
when you make double and you dont like the coming card you can... surrender it!!! YES you can surrender your 12 or 15 or whatever.
When you split aces you have again the choice to RESCUE (surrender) it or to ACCEPT it!!!

I was there and couldnt believe my eyes. I saw many many dealers in my life cheating but on this place I am sure everything was normal.

Please can somebody tell me how much could be the hourly win rate of this game if spread is like 1 to 30 (for ex. min bet 10 and max. bet 300)?

Thank you so much in Advance and good luck everybody.
it is a good game but not good enough to bet Max. off the top.
is it S17 n lose all double to Natural ?
-- ES10 0.24%
-- surr. on 3 cards/ 3+ excl Ace about 0.12%
---surr. after DD 0.1%
---surr at exact 16 against Ace less than 0.1%

 

[BJgenius007]

Hi,

its not spanish 21,

black jack pays 3:2,

casino is in east europe.

thank you,

zeus

Yeap, East Europeans are stupid. Look like this casino won't last long and the owner of this casino will learn the lesson the hard way. And I think they may have no Internet so they don't know what's going on in BJ world.

 

[jnrwilliam]

Hi everybody,

I was playing more than 15 years BJ in Europe everywhere and in the year 2006 (after 185 casino-black lists) i started playing Texas Holdem Poker.

So, 2 days ago a friend of my invited me to go in some casino and watch a really dream black jack game:

6 decks, 4 times split Aces, dbl after split on any 2 cards, ENHC,
Penetration 60% (hand schuffle of course), soft 17,
surrender on any 2,3,4 or more cards
(on dealer ace only by 16 with 2 or 3 or more cards..)
when you make double and you dont like the coming card you can... surrender it!!! YES you can surrender your 12 or 15 or whatever.
When you split aces you have again the choice to RESCUE (surrender) it or to ACCEPT it!!!

I was there and couldnt believe my eyes. I saw many many dealers in my life cheating but on this place I am sure everything was normal.

Please can somebody tell me how much could be the hourly win rate of this game if spread is like 1 to 30 (for ex. min bet 10 and max. bet 300)?

Thank you so much in Advance and good luck everybody.


it is a good game but not good enough to bet Max. off the top.
is it S17 n lose all double to Natural ?
-- ES10 0.24%
-- surr. on 3 cards/ 3+ excl Ace about 0.12%
---surr. after DD 0.1%
---surr at exact 16 against Ace less than 0.1%

pen. 4d out of 6d, freq. of TC+4 or above is about 5% (hi lo)
(neglected the small gain below TC 3.4, TC is 3.5=TC 4)
as a result, prob. to take insurance=0.05 x 8/13= 3 hands in 100
Variance is a concern, besides.

 

[blackjacktilt]

Hi everybody,

I was playing more than 15 years BJ in Europe everywhere and in the year 2006 (after 185 casino-black lists) i started playing Texas Holdem Poker.

So, 2 days ago a friend of my invited me to go in some casino and watch a really dream black jack game:

6 decks, 4 times split Aces, dbl after split on any 2 cards, ENHC,
Penetration 60% (hand schuffle of course), soft 17,
surrender on any 2,3,4 or more cards
(on dealer ace only by 16 with 2 or 3 or more cards..)
when you make double and you dont like the coming card you can... surrender it!!! YES you can surrender your 12 or 15 or whatever.
When you split aces you have again the choice to RESCUE (surrender) it or to ACCEPT it!!!

I was there and couldnt believe my eyes. I saw many many dealers in my life cheating but on this place I am sure everything was normal.

Please can somebody tell me how much could be the hourly win rate of this game if spread is like 1 to 30 (for ex. min bet 10 and max. bet 300)?

Thank you so much in Advance and good luck everybody

Zeus

Sounds like a Spanish 21 game

 

[jnrwilliam]

Sounds like a Spanish 21 game

OP assured it is BJ.
Player edge is over-est'ed, too optimistic.
it is around +0.15% for S17,
[ could OP verify the rule ?]
but the adv sharply jump at TC4.

 

[zengrifter]

Penetration 60%

Then its not a dream game, its a nightmare. zg

 

[tthree]

Yeap, East Europeans are stupid. Look like this casino won't last long and the owner of this casino will learn the lesson the hard way. And I think they may have no Internet so they don't know what's going on in BJ world.

I've heard some countries don't let you leave with their currency in Eastern Europe. You must be a resident to exchange their currency. And the local mafia or police basically are the casino muscle. You may find yourself happy to get out of there without your winnings. This is an amusing story about Eastern Europe.

http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/blackjackmoldavia.htm