El Cortez is a joke

Midwestern

Well-Known Member
#1
So i got my first backoff - from the Sweaty Spaniard!

i kinda knew it was going to happen as soon as i got there because
1) i don't look like a degenerate local
2) got a checks play as soon as i doubled my initial bet from 25 to 50 (after a win).

i lost about 10 units playing single deck, so i bought in for another 10 units on their double deck to make it back at a game i knew how to play better.

The whole time i'm getting looks from the pit.. now i can say i finally know what heat feels like. You can feel it in your face, and deep in your stomach.

I finally win about 30 units in one shoe and I know its time for me to leave. About 10 of these are me just winning back my losses, so i really didn't hit them hard at all. Of course right as i'm coloring up, the dirtiest looking PB comes over to me, sits right next to me and CREEPILY gets in my face and goes

" You are a very good player. You had the other PB fooled that you were just a basic strategy player, and if i wasnt so bored around here you would have fooled me too. I know exactly what you are doing. Backing down your bets in the minus counts, letting it ride on the plus. Not hitting your 16 and 15s in the plus. doubling on soft 19 in the plus. you are very very good. Very very good. That's why i'm going to flat you for the rest of your night here. You pick an amount and you stick with it. And you are not welcome back to play backjack here as soon as you walk out that door tonight."

I knew he was sarcastic as hell, but he kept saying "you are very very good" so aggressively as if i had just scammed his family... anyways, all i did was keep saying " Thank you sir, thank you sir".. and i high-tailed it out of there.

I even got heat when i cashed out my chips. I brought my measly $650 to the cage and they asked me where i won it. I said i won it on the double deck. They even had to call the pit to make sure i won it where i said i won it.

my god what a junkyard that place is.

advice to new AP's -- don't waste your time there, because even though the game is beatable, you cant win $1 there without feeling like you stole it. And you will get flat-bet or backed off, but who knows if they spread that info to other casinos. You're better off taking your action to friendlier places. :cool:

-Midwestern.
 

paddywhack

Well-Known Member
#2
Why is it that everyone has to try and see if THEY are the ONE that can put one over on the Sweaty Spaniard???

Never been there. Seems rather stupid to waste my time going downtown when doubling up a $25 win is going to create stares and a flat bet situation.
 

Midwestern

Well-Known Member
#3
yes, i agree it is a waste of time. Just wanted to post the warning for others.

you are basically allowed ONE good shoe. So if it's your last day in vegas and you dont care about an awkward backoff situation, if you are going to do it, make sure its really valuable so its worth your time.

i just hate the fact that EC is so sweaty that they expect everyone to lose their shirt in there.
 

shadroch

Well-Known Member
#4
Strange how myself and a number of members get to play in the candy store and so many others get the bums rush.
Remember the story Bobby DuVal tells Sean Penn in Colors?
 

paddywhack

Well-Known Member
#5
Midwestern said:
yes, i agree it is a waste of time. Just wanted to post the warning for others.
That warning's been out there for decades. You'd have to be a complete noob to not know it.

Midwestern said:
i just hate the fact that EC is so sweaty that they expect everyone to lose their shirt in there.
That's their right, whining won't help.
 

Sucker

Well-Known Member
#6
After 30 years and hundreds of thousands of dollars I have NEVER had a problem at the ATM known as the El Cortez, other than the time Tiger came up & warned me that I was dipping my head (I was new to HCs at the time).

I'm thinking that as long as you don't get stupid you should last forever in the place.
 

Midwestern

Well-Known Member
#7
i dont think i was playing stupid, i just think the heat is so strong that anyone with a good shoe won't last longer than an ice cube in hell.
 

shadroch

Well-Known Member
#9
Sucker said:
After 30 years and hundreds of thousands of dollars I have NEVER had a problem at the ATM known as the El Cortez, other than the time Tiger came up & warned me that I was dipping my head (I was new to HCs at the time).

I'm thinking that as long as you don't get stupid you should last forever in the place.
Thats been my experiance for the last decade.
 

shadroch

Well-Known Member
#11
Perhaps doubling soft 19 and such while being heavily scrutinized isn't all that conducisive to longevity.
EC treats everyone like threat. Once you convince them you are not a threat, the vault is open and will be there for as long as you play your hand correctly.
 

forwhat77

Well-Known Member
#12
shadroch said:
Perhaps doubling soft 19 and such while being heavily scrutinized isn't all that conducisive to longevity.
EC treats everyone like threat. Once you convince them you are not a threat, the vault is open and will be there for as long as you play your hand correctly.
Now thats good advice for a newb.
 
#14
Midwestern said:
i can see how spreading $5-25 might have some longevity, but i was spreading $25-100 and they certainly didn't like me at all.
$5 to $25 is different for them than $25 to $100. They really don't care for black action there. Were you the biggest player on your table consistently? Doubling a soft 19 and incosistently hitting/standing on 16 v 10 with count while under scrutiny will kill you there. Next time just give up a little ev on the 16 thing and the soft 19 and you should be ok. This really goes for anywhere that you are feeling heat by the way....
 

Dyepaintball12

Well-Known Member
#15
The cage calling the pit to make sure you won your chips there is pretty common in the downtown stores in my experience. Definitely not heat.

Larger casinos do that too, except they usually start at around a $5,000 cashout.
 

shadroch

Well-Known Member
#17
About five years ago I stayed at the EC for a week and kept my "color ups" in the safe until the last day. When I colored up for three blacks but cashed in fourteen I thought the cashier would go bonkers. I foolishly brought way too much attention on myself.
 

21forme

Well-Known Member
#20
Dyepaintball12 said:
The cage calling the pit to make sure you won your chips there is pretty common in the downtown stores in my experience. Definitely not heat.

Larger casinos do that too, except they usually start at around a $5,000 cashout.
I had Mirage do it for under 3K, but I had a 1K chip (my mistake - first 1K chip I ever got in LV. Was never a problem in AC).

paddywhack said:
Why is it that everyone has to try and see if THEY are the ONE that can put one over on the Sweaty Spaniard???

Never been there. Seems rather stupid to waste my time going downtown when doubling up a $25 win is going to create stares and a flat bet situation.
I've been to EC twice, spreading 5-200. No problem either time. No further details forthcoming. No desire to return to that dump.
 
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