Foxwoods Deteriorating

#1
Went to Foxwoods this past week with a friend and it seems that they drastically reduced the number of operating blackjack tables. Apparently, in order to save money, they cut the number of dealers. As a result, it was very hard to find a place to sit and play. If someone got a seat, it was very cramped around the table, like sitting on a crowded NYC subway. It was a very unpleasant experience.
I know Foxwoods has a reputation for managing to fill all the tables, but this was beyond belief.
I arrived on a weeknight, I had a room to spend the night. I thought things would get better in the wee hours of the morning, but the morons in the pits just kept closing more tables, so there was always a shortage of seats. All day and night, there were dozens of people waiting around for a place to sit. Gamblers were waiting to make wagers, but Foxwoods had no place for them to play. It was ridiculous!
It didn't matter if you went to MGM or Foxwoods proper, there was no place to sit. Forget about wonging. Once you gave up your seat, there was no where else to go. From my experience, Foxwoods is always very efficient with their blackjack tables, but this was absurd. They must have lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in wagers because of a lack of open tables.
Instead of the tribe cutting back on their stipends, they're cutting back on the staff. It just makes Foxwoods a less pleasant place to play, regardless of whether you are a counter or not. I also put a lot of the blame on the labor union that represents the dealers. I am sure they have made it more expensive and difficult for Foxwoods to hire dealers as needed.
If this continues, Foxwoods is doomed. People don't go there to see Don Rickles and Joan Rivers; they go in order to gamble. If there are no open seats at the tables, then people will go to Mohegan, AC, and now PA.
I hope this was just a one night aberration. If someone else had a better experience recently, then please let me know.
 

Krak3d

Well-Known Member
#2
I always preferred Mohegan over Foxwoods, better overall. But if it is as you say it is, then people will be seriously pissed, I guess they are getting heavy damage.
 

21forme

Well-Known Member
#3
Foxwoods was always big on closing tables and keeping the open ones full.

Back in the "good old days" of Foxwoods, I was at a table with a fellow board member and they were closing the pit in which we were playing. They came to our table, right in the middle of a shoe (and a good count!) and said 5 more hands and that's it.
 
#4
That's always been the case at Foxwoods. Table games are just not a priority. The problem is worse on weekdays when about 3/4 of the patrons are immigrants of the Asiatic persuasion who do not mind being crowded. There are some pits that are not even open on a Friday night, they just couldn't be bothered.

Foxwoods is not alone in this, all of the East Coast stores are in debt and face high labor costs and do pretty much the same thing, although at the Indian stores where workers have no rights at all it's the worst. I've heard horror stories from dealers: ordered to drive 2 hours through a snowstorm under threat of termination, and when all the dealers showed up some were simply sent home because too many were actually successful at making it through the storm.
 

prankster

Well-Known Member
#5
Sounds like maybe there are way too many Harvard MBA's in management. Maybe what they need is some good old Benny Binion style common sense!:joker:
 

cc218

Well-Known Member
#6
prankster said:
Sounds like maybe there are way too many Harvard MBA's in management. Maybe what they need is some good old Benny Binion style common sense!:joker:
i think you are right and not just in the sense of casinos. All businesses are now run by Harvard MBA's or as my dad likes to say, College Educated Idiots Without Commonsense. I think back in the day, most business were about serving the greater good as far as their customers and employees go, now it seems more about how to eek out the most money for the guys at the top. Gotta love when you see guys like Jack Welch at GE crunch down his entire workforce in an effort to make the company more streamlined and supposedly more competitive only to retire and be be give 8 mill a year and a corporate jet to use at his disposal for life. I'll get off my soapbox now.
 

prankster

Well-Known Member
#7
I read a quote of Benny Binion somewhere-don't remember exactly where though. Anyway, he said something like "You can get rich if you treat regular people like they are special" Maybe Harvard Business School should include that quote on day one of classes.:joker:
 
#8
cc218 said:
i think you are right and not just in the sense of casinos. All businesses are now run by Harvard MBA's or as my dad likes to say, College Educated Idiots Without Commonsense. I think back in the day, most business were about serving the greater good as far as their customers and employees go, now it seems more about how to eek out the most money for the guys at the top. Gotta love when you see guys like Jack Welch at GE crunch down his entire workforce in an effort to make the company more streamlined and supposedly more competitive only to retire and be be give 8 mill a year and a corporate jet to use at his disposal for life. I'll get off my soapbox now.
In the case of Foxwoods it's not even MBA's. The smarter ones probably have high school diplomas. They're kind of like the lottery winners who are bankrupt a few years after their windfall.
 

prankster

Well-Known Member
#9
AM-Interesting way of looking at this situation. I think you're probably right. I think Benny is spinning in his grave though at the very thought of casino owners being unable to make a profit. In one of his stand-up routines (can't remember which) great comidian Lewis Black says something like "Lets see how do you make money if you own a casino? Hmm-go there in the morning and unlock the doors":joker::laugh:
 

shiznites

Well-Known Member
#10
The overcrowding issue is legit with 15 min tables but I've never experienced overcrowding on 25 min tables (even on a peak Sat nite at 2am when all the drunk idiots left the asian club in MGM).

Still I'd rather play FW than any other store in the northeast simply cause its got the best rules/penetration.
 

N&B

Well-Known Member
#11
I know its an old thread, but welcome to 1992. When FW first opened tables in Feb, and throughout the year the crowded tables were a common sight. Back-lining common. $25 minimum the rule. Place jammed till 4AM weekdays. No liquor after 1AM. The only longer lines were to play some 1-4 Fixed limit Holdem. Free-Play "slots" lined the perimiter of the main gaming room. Even KENO was crowded (32% House Advantage to boot!).

I wouldn't give you 2 plugged nickels today for FW. They're heavily in debt and got an extension on loan payments. Ironically, the poker is king... an expensive-to-run game with a 3% rake.

Since MS opened, I've found MS is much better. Even played some Holdem there a few times (2/4 or 3/6). I got comped. Free shows in the wolf den... just sit at a table. Even sitting at a 21 table offered a decent view. Just a much better place to play. Just a better atmosphere... the 21 rules are identical to FW and 6-decks common.

IMHO the decline began in 07. The roads into FW just too crowded: I-95 is a joke, Route 2 a bigger joke. High fuel prices begat the exodus. Travel-Time became expensive and longer. Traffic problems between NYC and FW/MS have been bad, but really got worse with the improved economy causing more highway repairs. There never has been a good mass transit method of getting to either place, though a RR-line literally runs next to the MS property on the river-side.

And then the coup-d'tat... the MGM. Worst possible timing, in a hard to reach location (compared to MS). Frankly the liscence should have been granted in Cornwall/Kent, CT to alleviate traffic. Not that Route 7 is any better.

And then the bottom fell out of the stupid economy. These three jokers in a deck full of aces arent coming back soon, because they haven't come back by now.
 

shiznites

Well-Known Member
#12
N&B said:
I know its an old thread, but welcome to 1992. When FW first opened tables in Feb, and throughout the year the crowded tables were a common sight. Back-lining common. $25 minimum the rule. Place jammed till 4AM weekdays. No liquor after 1AM. The only longer lines were to play some 1-4 Fixed limit Holdem. Free-Play "slots" lined the perimiter of the main gaming room. Even KENO was crowded (32% House Advantage to boot!).

I wouldn't give you 2 plugged nickels today for FW. They're heavily in debt and got an extension on loan payments. Ironically, the poker is king... an expensive-to-run game with a 3% rake.

Since MS opened, I've found MS is much better. Even played some Holdem there a few times (2/4 or 3/6). I got comped. Free shows in the wolf den... just sit at a table. Even sitting at a 21 table offered a decent view. Just a much better place to play. Just a better atmosphere... the 21 rules are identical to FW and 6-decks common.

IMHO the decline began in 07. The roads into FW just too crowded: I-95 is a joke, Route 2 a bigger joke. High fuel prices begat the exodus. Travel-Time became expensive and longer. Traffic problems between NYC and FW/MS have been bad, but really got worse with the improved economy causing more highway repairs. There never has been a good mass transit method of getting to either place, though a RR-line literally runs next to the MS property on the river-side.

And then the coup-d'tat... the MGM. Worst possible timing, in a hard to reach location (compared to MS). Frankly the liscence should have been granted in Cornwall/Kent, CT to alleviate traffic. Not that Route 7 is any better.

And then the bottom fell out of the stupid economy. These three jokers in a deck full of aces arent coming back soon, because they haven't come back by now.
Theres one thing you're missing that makes FW so much better then MS (in terms of their blackjack game)... and worth the extra half hour drive!
 
#13
shiznites said:
Theres one thing you're missing that makes FW so much better then MS (in terms of their blackjack game)... and worth the extra half hour drive!
Let me guess... is it the extra half-something else?

It's actually not an extra half hour, more like 15 minutes. What was really mean of Foxwoods is when they built Mohegan, FW changed all of the directions on their billboards to take people the long way, down I-95 to exit 92, so they wouldn't drive past Mohegan and maybe decide to stop there instead! Idiots just made it more inconvenient to get to their store.

Another funny thing I noticed- on the local road between Mohegan and FW, across from the bar that used to be the Double Down, is a bait shop run out of someone's house, and in front of his house on top of his mailbox the guy put some reflectors that look just like the lights on top of a police car. I still hit the brakes every time I come around the curve and see it. Pretty creative trick!
 

bjcount

Well-Known Member
#14
Those freakin reflectors get me all the time too. Your right about the short cut, people we speak to that go to MS want to go to FW but going up to 92 is another half hour trip.

When we tell them FW is 12 minutes away from MS they think we are nuts.

but you guys can keep going to FW...

one man's garbage is another man's treasure

.... besides MS has been getting way too crowded lately.

BJC
 

bjcount

Well-Known Member
#17
shiznites said:
I feel silly asking this but whats the short cut? I've been taking I-95 all the way down the whole time! :eek:
instead of turning off at Mohegan Sun blvd..... keep going straight across the overpass........ at the light, make a left.... stay to the right and make the right.... follow the little brown signs with the deer on it... they say in tiny writing.... foxwoods 7 miles..... etc.... stay on the main road (1 lane in each direction goes around a lake) and be careful you don't turn off on one of those little side streets that come in on strange angles, like by the church......when you get to the end and can't go straight any longer, make a right and that takes you straight to MGM.

If you ask the coat room attendent they used to have printed directions to FW, or the valet staff will give you directions...

Do it right and you'll be there in approx. 12 minutes. It sure beats going the extra 16 exits north and then another 20 minutes on the local streets.

BJC
 
Last edited:
#18
bjcount said:
instead of turning off at Mohegan Sun blvd..... keep going straight across the overpass........ at the light, make a left.... stay to the right and make the right.... follow the little brown signs with the deer on it... they say in tiny writing.... foxwoods 7 miles..... etc.... stay on the main road (1 lane in each direction goes around a lake) and be careful you don't turn off on one of those little side streets that come in on strange angles, like by the church......when you get to the end and can't go straight any longer, make a right and that takes you straight to MGM.

If you ask the coat room attendent they used to have printed directions to FW, or the valet staff will give you directions...

Do it right and you'll be there in approx. 12 minutes. It sure beats going the extra 16 exits north and then another 20 minutes on the local streets.

BJC
Don't forget: take exit 74 up 395 before you do any of this. Then exit 79A onto Rt 2, takes you past Mohegan, then you go over the Uncasville bridge and you are on local roads, 10 min. from FW.
 

bjcount

Well-Known Member
#19
Automatic Monkey said:
Don't forget: take exit 74 up 395 before you do any of this. Then exit 79A onto Rt 2, takes you past Mohegan, then you go over the Uncasville bridge and you are on local roads, 10 min. from FW.
74...:eek::eek:

oh no.... I thought it was 76...

BJC
 
Top